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2004-2007 Cadillac CTS-V Performance Mods Discussion, Staggered Axles in Cadillac CTS-V Series Forum - 2004 - 2007; I have a pretty much stock 2005 V. Wheel hop is real bad, as it seems it is with all ...
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    Staggered Axles

    I have a pretty much stock 2005 V.
    Wheel hop is real bad, as it seems it is with all of them. I have seen the axle kits on the market that come with a different size axle shaft on drivers side verses passenger side. It seems that maybe the 2006-2007 came with bigger axles than the 2004-2005. So if you have an 05, you put one bigger shaft in and if you have a 06, you put one smaller shaft in. Of course you can upgrade both with the kits offered but it seems you only "have to" do one side. My question is, could I just go to a local parts store and buy a reman axle for an 06 and put in my 05 on one side? Will it fit? Will it solve wheel hop? Seems that it would be a more economical solution to me.

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    Re: Staggered Axles

    I've wondered the same

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    Re: Staggered Axles

    The answer is no. It has been tried and did not work. The 2004-2005 axles are 1.25 inch diameter and the 2006-2007 are 1.50 inch in diameter - both hollow. There simply is not enough difference in the torsional mass between the two (1.25 vs. 1.50) to accomplish what the aftermarket axles do using at least one solid axle of much stouter (and with increased mass) material.

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    Re: Staggered Axles

    Yes the stock swap won't work you'll need to get the gforce axle shaft and attach your stock cv's. It's a HUGE improvement for wheel hop and not too expensive, I only did passenger side and it's great.

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    Re: Staggered Axles

    Doing both axles means a WH cure approaching 99%. Costs a bundle, but works great.

    Taking an economical view, I'm sure you could approach a nearly 90% cure for substantially less $ as lots of others here have done. Sure wish there was some way to quantify all the iterations. (50% cure do X, 75% cure do Y, 90% cure do Z, ...)

    BTW, you need to put all this into perspective. A WH cure was only a dream a few years ago when NOTHING worked as reliably as the axle swap. The closest "cure" was the KARS kit ... I had one; it was okay, but I like the axles far more.
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    Re: Staggered Axles

    I would caution against saying a full axle swap is a 99% cure. I got no real hop on the street, but on a prepped track, with both axles, and all-season tires, I hopped like a jackrabbit.

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    Re: Staggered Axles

    Quote Originally Posted by JimmyH View Post
    I would caution against saying a full axle swap is a 99% cure. I got no real hop on the street, but on a prepped track, with both axles, and all-season tires, I hopped like a jackrabbit.
    Yeah, I suppose I should've tempered my statement. It was 99% with me, but I also had both axles done and all-season tires with zero WH. That would seem that a broad, generalized statement can't really be made.
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    Re: Staggered Axles

    Well I don't have a percentage - but I have the full axle set and no wheel hop on either concrete or asphalt streets. If the V1s had come from the factory with these full axles sets, I believe wheelhop would have never been associated with these cars.

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    Re: Staggered Axles

    Quote Originally Posted by rand49er View Post
    Yeah, I suppose I should've tempered my statement. It was 99% with me, but I also had both axles done and all-season tires with zero WH. That would seem that a broad, generalized statement can't really be made.
    I think that is why I did not get any hop. The pro axles, FG2 shocks, and low traction tires all combined to almost eliminate it. But at the dragstrip, where it really counts, all that traction still caused hop.

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    Re: Staggered Axles

    Quote Originally Posted by JimmyH View Post
    I think that is why I did not get any hop. The pro axles, FG2 shocks, and low traction tires all combined to almost eliminate it. But at the dragstrip, where it really counts, all that traction still caused hop.
    Well I have not tried my V at the drag strip, but since the quickest cars on the planet (AA's, Funny Cars, & Pro Stockers), that are built from the ground up for exclusive use on the drag strip experience wheel hop frequently I assume that any CTS-V whether a V1 or V2 can also experience wheel hop on a dragstrip - especially with a timid launch.

    That does not change the fact, that with these axles even aggressive drivers with highly modified engines can avoid wheel hop altogether on the street and/or road courses.

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    Re: Staggered Axles

    Any car with IRS is going to have some kind of wheelhop. Vettes, Porsches, they have a small bit. I have personally seen live axle Mustangs hop at the strip. I saw one hop like a V, right before his driveshaft broke. My 92 Saturn, after I put performance tires on it, hopped worse than my V did stock. And it was fwd. Same with my 00 Maxima.

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    Re: Staggered Axles

    Quote Originally Posted by darkman View Post
    ... If the V1s had come from the factory with these full axles sets, I believe wheelhop would have never been associated with these cars.
    Agreed.

    Had V1s been equipped that way from the git go, just think of all the diffs that would have been saved not to mention the V1's reputation.

    Of course, maybe we wouldn't have Gen 3 and Gen 4 diffs, too.
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