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    Re: Summary table of swaybar options

    Those bars are sweet. The GM guys have figured out the right set up for the FG2s. The rear bar has a stiffer mounting hole. Someday when your brave try that set up. I bet the car turns in even better.

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    Re: Summary table of swaybar options

    Quote Originally Posted by crankedupforit View Post
    Those bars are sweet. The GM guys have figured out the right set up for the FG2s. The rear bar has a stiffer mounting hole. Someday when your brave try that set up. I bet the car turns in even better.
    Funny thing is they ran the 3 and 4 way adjustable penske setup from Anze on the challenge cars though. Wonder how that setup would work if it could fit...
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    Re: Summary table of swaybar options

    Love that Andy...

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    Re: Summary table of swaybar options

    I would like a set of the GMPP bars if anyone has a set they are not using.

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    Re: Summary table of swaybar options

    Anyone have a link to end links that are more durable than the stock ones?

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    Re: Summary table of swaybar options

    What dampers and springs are you running?

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    Re: Summary table of swaybar options

    Quote Originally Posted by Junior1 View Post
    Too bad this thread didn't pop up a few days earlier, I would have asked Andy Pilgrim the reasoning behind the sizing. His eyes did light up a little when I told him I had a set on my car. He said to just go buy an extra set of wheels and to put Hoosier A6's on...
    When he drove my car at V Day 4 he said it pushed too much, and said that every car he'd driven with the Hotchkis sway bars was like that.

    Quote Originally Posted by Junior1 View Post
    Funny thing is they ran the 3 and 4 way adjustable penske setup from Anze on the challenge cars though.
    I would be absolutely stunned if the GMPP sway bars were used on the WC cars. AFAIK the GMPP sway bars (and diff cooler kit and trans cooler kit and rear control arms with stiffer bushings, etc) were made to support guys running the CTS-Vs in SCCA T2 competition. I would be willing to bet that the WC cars ran "standard" adjustable blade type anti-roll bars like every other dedicated race car.

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    Anyone have a link to end links that are more durable than the stock ones?
    If you're not lowered, Z06 links from Luke @ Lindsay Cadillac. If you're lowered, Powergrid endlinks on ebay...

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    Re: Summary table of swaybar options

    Quote Originally Posted by AAIIIC View Post
    AFAIK the GMPP sway bars (and diff cooler kit and trans cooler kit and rear control arms with stiffer bushings, etc) were made to support guys running the CTS-Vs in SCCA T2 competition. I would be willing to bet that the WC cars ran "standard" adjustable blade type anti-roll bars like every other dedicated race car.
    That is my understanding as well. There was a T2 player in the forum a couple years back that used the GM bars. Here was his classified.

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    Re: Summary table of swaybar options

    thebiggimsho - thanks for the input!

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    Re: Summary table of swaybar options

    Quote Originally Posted by crankedupforit View Post
    Resurrected this thread since I've been thinking about going back to a stock sway bar setup with my KWs. Interesting that the GMPP bars have a huge disparity in the front to rear diameter over the other options. About 46% larger in the front than back. Probably the most popular option is the Hotchkiss which is only a difference of 25%. The stockers are about 26%. The Addcos 32.5% and the Eibachs 27%. ...
    Don't you have to take into account the fact that some of these are tubular and some are solid?

    It would seem that what would be highly useful is if each manufacturer included a standardized measure of torsional strength, such as ft-lbs per degree of torsional deflection.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rand49er View Post
    Don't you have to take into account the fact that some of these are tubular and some are solid?

    It would seem that what would be highly useful is if each manufacturer included a standardized measure of torsional strength, such as ft-lbs per degree of torsional deflection.
    They seem to all be hollow or a tube in the front and solid in the back (except Addco). I suppose lever arm design is a factor as well. I think a standard would be highly useful for us guys who don't have a need for adjustable bars.

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    Re: Summary table of swaybar options

    Too bad we don't have the ability to swap all these on a single V1 then run it on a track and quantify the degree of understeer, neutral steer, or oversteer. That way, we could hold all the other variables constant.

    I wonder if such results could be extended and used to predict behavior with other shock setups, other tires, other road surfaces, etc, etc. Hm-m ...

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    Re: Summary table of swaybar options

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    If you're not lowered, Z06 links from Luke @ Lindsay Cadillac. If you're lowered, Powergrid endlinks on ebay...
    Quote Originally Posted by DrSpeed View Post
    thebiggimsho - thanks for the input!
    Actually, I misspoke. If you are lowered, you can run the Z06 links. They're not good if you're at normal height. The adjustables will let you work at whatever height...

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    Re: Summary table of swaybar options

    AAIIC and crankedupforit: you guys are correct, the GMPP sways were probably designed for T2 guys. John B had them. Maybe Bobby Fischer too?
    The world challenge cars definitely have the adjustable blade type with penske adjustables.
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