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2004-2007 Cadillac CTS-V Performance Mods Discussion, AAIIIC's oil cooler thread in Cadillac CTS-V Series Forum - 2004 - 2007; Originally Posted by ctsvjeff This is for a chev small/big block not an LS motor.. Try a moroso 23694... http://www.moroso.com/catalog/catego...?catcode=21001 ...
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    Re: Need help with oil cooler

    Quote Originally Posted by ctsvjeff View Post
    This is for a chev small/big block not an LS motor..

    Try a moroso 23694... http://www.moroso.com/catalog/catego...?catcode=21001
    This is what i'm using but I do not have headers...yet
    Post photos please of how the adapter fit and your hose routing, cooler, etc. Thanks.

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    Re: Need help with oil cooler

    Quote Originally Posted by ctsvjeff View Post
    This is for a chev small/big block not an LS motor..

    Try a moroso 23694... http://www.moroso.com/catalog/catego...?catcode=21001
    This is what i'm using but I do not have headers...yet
    I was posting it more for a visual, but thanks for another part number to consider. Canton makes the same adapter as well, Part number 22-546
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    Re: Need help with oil cooler

    Quote Originally Posted by ctsvjeff View Post
    This is for a chev small/big block not an LS motor..

    Try a moroso 23694... http://www.moroso.com/catalog/catego...?catcode=21001
    This is what i'm using but I do not have headers...yet
    Quote Originally Posted by Junior1 View Post
    I was posting it more for a visual, but thanks for another part number to consider. Canton makes the same adapter as well, Part number 22-546
    Yup, those would appear to be identical. Based on what I could see, it won't work with headers. (At least, not with Kooks).

    Angled to the rear, lines have nowhere to go:


    Angled to the front, the line closest to the oil pan might work, but the other line doesn't have enough horizontal clearance to bend enough to clear the header and front subframe. (I tried with both 30 and 45deg fittings, as I recall.)


    Obviously pointing anywhere in between those two pictures means you're pointing right at the header, so that's a no-go.

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    Re: Need help with oil cooler

    Well that just sucks...
    So looks like either a remote filter setup or drysump
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    Re: Need help with oil cooler

    Off topic, but did you use Swain Tech on those Kooks?

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    Re: Need help with oil cooler

    Yessir.

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    Re: Need help with oil cooler

    Mike when you get a chance, can you post up pictures of your setup...

    Chances are I am going to go that route. I was at the shop today and they are actually using -12 lines and not -10 so it makes for even more issues.
    They are looking to go with a spin on sandwich type with the lines coming straight down out of the plate and then getting routed to a remote filter setup.
    All of the previous cars that were built for Powell, Buttermore, etc. used the stock exhaust manifolds because headers were/are illegal in T1 & GS so this never became an issue.
    Unless there is another brand of headers with a different design (American Racing, Stainless, etc.) that will allow for more clearance, I don't know and I don't want to buy them all to find out...
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    Re: Need help with oil cooler

    Quote Originally Posted by Junior1 View Post
    Mike when you get a chance, can you post up pictures of your setup...

    Chances are I am going to go that route. I was at the shop today and they are actually using -12 lines and not -10 so it makes for even more issues.
    They are looking to go with a spin on sandwich type with the lines coming straight down out of the plate and then getting routed to a remote filter setup.
    All of the previous cars that were built for Powell, Buttermore, etc. used the stock exhaust manifolds because headers were/are illegal in T1 & GS so this never became an issue.
    Unless there is another brand of headers with a different design (American Racing, Stainless, etc.) that will allow for more clearance, I don't know and I don't want to buy them all to find out...









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    Re: Need help with oil cooler

    Thank you sir...
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    Extnal oil and trans coolers

    I noticed my (accurate) oil temps around 256 (in 90+ heat while running hard for a 2nd day) so I decided to add an external oil cooler. I did the research and decided on the Setrab 6 with 16 rows (https://www.pegasusautoracing.com/pr...asp?RecID=8945), -10AN fittings, a low profile adapter from ImprovedRacing.com etc. Sweet.

    Then I saw something from another project sitting around - a Derale 15800 16 pass cooler with a fan like this http://www.summitracing.com/parts/DER-15800/. I'm thinking trans cooler?

    Also, dumb question: the Setrab is "16 row". The Derale is "16 pass". One is twice the size of the other - what am I missing? row vs. pass?





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    Re: Extnal oil and trans coolers

    It's hard to tell from that picture since the fan is covering the core, but I'm guessing the Derale is a tube-and-fin style cooler (16 passes means the tubing runs back and forth 16 times). The Setrab is a stacked plate style cooler, so there are headers on either side, with 16 rows (created by the stacked plates) passing from one side to the other. Stacked plate style coolers are more efficient for a given size because they provide more surface area for both the cooled fluid (the oil) and the cooling fluid (the air).
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    Re: Extnal oil and trans coolers

    I'm guessing you don't have kooks headers, as this complicates things.

    Other threads on this subject:
    http://www.cadillacforums.com/forums...il-cooler.html
    http://www.cadillacforums.com/forums...-kit-have.html

    I spec'd all this stuff out for a nice oil cooler with aeroquip fitings and an accusump (from the 2nd thread above). It came out to like $1800, which seemed excessive, so I haven't done this yet.
    http://www.cadillacforums.com/forums...ml#post2897140


    Let us know what you come up with.

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    Re: Extnal oil and trans coolers

    I read a bit about the clearance issues w/ headers - that research pointed me to the low profile adapter from ImprovedRacing.com, which looks great. It'll be a few weeks before I start this particular project (along with my header install) but I'll update the thread w/ pictures when I install.

    I'm not sure putting the Setrab up under the front is the way to go, so it may end up in the rear of a wheel well.

    As far as the Derale cooler - I'll keep an eye on my trans temps and, if they ever creep up, maybe I'll plumb the cooler into the spare tire well.

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    Re: Extnal oil and trans coolers

    FYI we ran both the tranny and oil coolers up front where the a/c condenser used to mount, (full track car) and ran -12 lines for the oil cooler
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    Re: Extnal oil and trans coolers

    Quote Originally Posted by Junior1 View Post
    FYI we ran both the tranny and oil coolers up front where the a/c condenser used to mount, (full track car) and ran -12 lines for the oil cooler
    What did you wind up using for an adapter to run the lines from the oil filter Chris? Improved Racing? Your car has headers right?

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