Gforce axle testing conclusions - Page 4

SkullV · #46 (**permalink**) 10-26-09, 04:40 PM

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Originally Posted by whisler151

Dude, it's how he has done it in the past and will continue to do it. I'm not sure why you are pushing the issue. You have your HE axles and are happy.

We are all in agreement that you need two different diameter half shafts. So why do you keep trying to argue?

Because the part I paid for didnt work on the LS2 V, Gforce is paying for me to have the driver side installed at my local shop.

I am just trying to learn, in a much earlier post Gforce said that they were using the passenger side instead of the drivers side and there was some BIG reason that they were acting like it was a secret. I just want to know the reason for using the passenger side instead of the driver side for an engineering standpoint.

This also has nothing to do with LS6 vs. LS2 I had the 06-07 axles installed under warranty.

whisler151 · #47 (**permalink**) 10-26-09, 04:49 PM

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Originally Posted by SkullV

This also has nothing to do with LS6 vs. LS2 I had the 06-07 axles installed under warranty.

I understand that you have 06 axles on your 05 and that the Hendrix axles fixed your hop. I think there is more to it than just the axles. After doing the install on Dannboss' 05 and then on my 07, we found that there were several differences in bolts and positioning between the LS6 and LS2 Vs in the axle area.

I just don't think you can compare the two unless your LS6 V has a complete rear undercarriage of a LS2 V. I know you have the 06 rear diff and 06 axles, but there are more differences than that between the two.

maxspeed96ct · #48 (**permalink**) 10-26-09, 04:54 PM

gforce dont let all the B.S. in the thread discourage you, keep on testing boys !

nikon · #49 (**permalink**) 10-26-09, 05:02 PM

^^^ Helpful stuff!!!!!

SkullV · #50 (**permalink**) 10-26-09, 05:07 PM

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Originally Posted by whisler151

I understand that you have 06 axles on your 05 and that the Hendrix axles fixed your hop. I think there is more to it than just the axles. After doing the install on Dannboss' 05 and then on my 07, we found that there were several differences in bolts and positioning between the LS6 and LS2 Vs in the axle area.

I just don't think you can compare the two unless your LS6 V has a complete rear undercarriage of a LS2 V. I know you have the 06 rear diff and 06 axles, but there are more differences than that between the two.

What do undercarriage differences have in relation the rotational mass, revolution speed, or torsional strength of the axles?

whisler151 · #51 (**permalink**) 10-26-09, 05:18 PM

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Originally Posted by SkullV

What do undercarriage differences have in relation the rotational mass, revolution speed, or torsional strength of the axles?

I am not going to argue with you in this thread. If you'd like to keep this conversation going, please PM me. We do not need this thread locked because you are a Hendrix fan and I am using Gforce. Neither of us will budge...

liqidvenom · #52 (**permalink**) 10-26-09, 05:23 PM

i dont think it has anything with skullv being a fan of anyone. just someone who is looking to see a product reach its full potential.

ctsv247 · #53 (**permalink**) 10-26-09, 08:04 PM

This is the first i've heard of the v's differences with respect to bolts and positioning. could you elaborate?

thanks for your efforts!!!

whisler151 · #54 (**permalink**) 10-26-09, 09:02 PM

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Originally Posted by ctsv247

This is the first i've heard of the v's differences with respect to bolts and positioning. could you elaborate?

thanks for your efforts!!!

Forgive the crudeness. I don't know much about what all the parts are called.

There were two bolts that were different sizes. The positioning of one of the bolts made it very difficult to get to on the 07. The 05 was a bit easier to work on.

Maybe a Cadillac tech could chime in on some differences. We all knew the axles and rear diff were changed, but there were other minor changes made from 05 to 06.

dannboss · #55 (**permalink**) 10-26-09, 11:09 PM

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Originally Posted by ctsv247

This is the first i've heard of the v's differences with respect to bolts and positioning. could you elaborate?

thanks for your efforts!!!

Nothing major. The bolt lengths for the toe rod and lower control arm were longer on Whisler's than mine. Also, the upper control arm bolt was free spinning and created a huge issue to try to get it to not spin with the socket on it.

Other than that, all was the same except for the spindle nut....

SkullV · #56 (**permalink**) 10-27-09, 12:18 AM

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Originally Posted by dannboss

Nothing major. The bolt lengths for the toe rod and lower control arm were longer on Whisler's than mine. Also, the upper control arm bolt was free spinning and created a huge issue to try to get it to not spin with the socket on it.

Other than that, all was the same except for the spindle nut....

So absolutely nothing that would have any bearing on wheelhop. The only thing that would make a difference in wheelhop is the size of the axles or whether the driver side or passenger side is made larger. I would also like to note, that I gave Hendrix the same "grilling" when their first axles were released and this has nothing to do with being a fan of any company.

dannboss · #57 (**permalink**) 10-27-09, 12:41 AM

I understand and can appreciate wanting to understand how something works, or doesn't.

Quick side note: SkullV, impressive numbers in your signature for the mods (minus the juice). Are you hitting 393 based largely on the tune? Generous dyno? I plan to put on kooks headers and no cats in two months. Besides that we are close in mods (exception of ported TB).

SkullV · #58 (**permalink**) 10-27-09, 02:05 AM

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Originally Posted by dannboss

I understand and can appreciate wanting to understand how something works, or doesn't.

Quick side note: SkullV, impressive numbers in your signature for the mods (minus the juice). Are you hitting 393 based largely on the tune? Generous dyno? I plan to put on kooks headers and no cats in two months. Besides that we are close in mods (exception of ported TB).

Very generous dyno, although some people on that dyno got lower numbers then they got on a mustang, so who knows I did bump the nitrous to a 150 shot and the car is loving it, so I would say I am ACTUALLY at 500+whp on the juice, but NA...who knows. . I'll be back on a mustang dyno this winter.

**The Tony Show** · #59 (**permalink**) 10-27-09, 01:11 PM

A healthy, civil discussion between a bunch of people who have actually swapped different axles in is beneficial to everyone who owns (or will own) a first gen CTS-V. SkullV, danboss, whisler151, lollygagger and others who have actually had work done on their axles (as opposed to the armchair quarterbacks who talk from the sidelines) are doing a great service to everyone by discussing the pros/cons/theories behind fixing the wheelhop.

As long as everyone keeps things civil and remembers that this is just a discussion of different ideas, then it's a good thing. If you don't have something constructive to add or experience with an axle swap, kindly keep your opinions to yourself.

whisler151 · #60 (**permalink**) 10-27-09, 02:55 PM

As soon as Gforce has his 300m driver side axles done, SNL will be installing it. I'd rather use his stronger material axle than the stock 04-05. His driver side will be thinner in diameter than the stock 04-05, yet stronger. We are hoping that the offset in diameters will do the trick on my 07.

We will keep everyone posted.