Well, you started off great. You gave us a lot of info and a good measure of videos to allow us to assess the effectiveness of the axles in preventing wheel hop. You understood when people were inquisitive as to the nature of the axle build. And you attempted to provide answers to the best of your ability. But, in this one post, you've pretty much done a complete flip in your approach - rather abruptly, I might add.
Why, all of a sudden, you feel that it is not your responsibility to fully address your potential customers' concerns is a bit odd, especially when you started off so customer/enthusiast-centric. You can not expect your potential consumers
not to ask questions, technical or not, and you
certainly should not admonish or gawk at the supposed 'audacity' of those who do. Whether you think those questions matter or not, is not the issue. If it matters to the consumer, it matters, period.
You are asking questions that really don't matter.. Why does it matter how they work? If they work? I understand you are a technical guy and a engineer but the rest of us are not. All we care about is if it does the trick or not and this forum is getting filled with questions that has absolutely nothing to do with the axles fixing wheel hop. Regardless of what they are made out of, they work... Some of you guys are looking into this way too deep in my opinion..
You can not categorically define the 'rest of us' as being wholly disinterested in the technicalities of these axles. As I saw it, there was certainly more than one person inquiring about these 'technical' questions, regarding the materials, dimensions, hardening and what-have-you. And these questions most certainly can not be categorized as having absolutely nothing to do with the discussion at hand.
We really need to keep this simple. If you like what info I posted and how I saved you all a lot of money then buy them.. If you don't, then don't buy them. It's really that simple.. These are a LOT stronger than GM axles and they FIX wheel hop.. That is your answer and that is what I am providing you guys. The tech stuff really doesn't have anything to do with this thread and there is no reason to compare them to 09 axles, 07 axles or anything else. The fact is they do what they are supposed to do and they fix the problems you are all suffering from while offering a much better product than GM ever has.
I don't have a gun to anyone's head, I am not forcing these down your throat.. I presented the info and let you decide if you want them. We have MANY pros to these and no cons that I can see.. That should be enough for anyone to make their decision. But I am not going to get into any more technical talk of WHY they work because quite frankly who cares, I don't care why they do their job.. All I care is I can mash the gas and go sideways and spin all day long without hop.. Thats what I care about.. The end result. BECAUSE THAT'S ALL THAT MATTERS.
Just because you don't care, that does not unequivocally determine that that's all that matters. That's tantamount to telling your customers, "Who cares? You don't matter!"
I am not upset with you or anyone else asking these questions.. But they really need to stop, if you MUST know how things work call up DSS directly, but don't be offended if he tells you the same thing I just did... It is a waste of everyones time.. If you want to buy a pair of axles and rip them apart and try to figure out why they do what they do, go for it. Until then let's just agree that they are amazing and will make a lot of V owners smile when they hit the gas pedal... You are trying to dig way deep in something that doesn't need to be dug into. We need to keep it simple and save the useless tech questions. We have answered well more than enough tech questions about them from metal types to axle sizes and strength and to different size tubes.. Let's just leave it alone now. Here is the deal. 800 HORSE AXLES. WARRANTIED FOR A YEAR.. FIXES WHEEL HOP.. $1530.00.. Take it or leave it.
One of the members made the helpful suggestion that you start a new thread for the dedicated purpose of coordinating a group buy, since this particular thread
is a discussion - one in which the focus of a group buy might be 'diluted' and or 'cluttered' by the ongoing discussion. A discussion invariably involves those curious things often referred to as questions, which may, very well, be technical in nature.
Even you, yourself, stated, in the dedicated group buy thread, the following:
Let's keep the tech questions in the other thread.. This is just for a sign up list...
So, that statement would seem to suggest that you aren't of the view that technical questions are generally useless, but just that those that have been posed in this particular thread happen to be useless. In that case, would you be so kind as to clarify what would qualify as a useful technical question with respect to this discussion?
With that said, my only posts were (before the group buy):
If a bunch of us are gonna get this, it'd be worth it to see if we can coordinate something to get a better price as a group...
And (as the questions started to roll in):
Just let me know when we can start getting these ordered...
Which amounts to me saying, not much more than, "Just give me my axles. Pwease."
Personally, I did feel that the technical aspects as to the basis of how these axles functioned was an already familiar topic - at least, enough that I was more than comfortable purchasing a set. After all, it has been a year (or more) now that the asymmetrical axle approach and the mechanism by which they functioned has been known and utilized on the V2 prototypes. So, now that they are finally
readily available for the V1s, well, I didn't feel compelled to extract any more persuasion. So, again, amongst all the questions concerning these axles, my only two posts in this thread amounted to not much more than, "Let's git to steppin'."
However, if others felt there were some pertinent questions remaining, although I 'thought' we already knew the basic answers, there may be some credence there and I fail to see the harm in further probing the specs of this particular axle set, especially since it's nothing less than an opportunity to gain some further insight. It's good for those that just want to 'know'. It's good for those that are on the fence. Which, from where I'm standing, means it's also good for you.
And you can't blame people for asking questions. Yes, on the one hand you have those that fervently exclaim on repeated occasions, "If you
fix wheel-hop, you'll have X-illion amount of people lining up to buy it." Then you offer it, and what? It actually seems to take some coaxing to get just the first 10 to 20 people to sign up. Ridiculous, right?
Well, although, it certainly seems to be a proven fix in the videos supplied, you can also see many occasions of such video where there are Vs that have no apparent (zero) wheel hop from a standing launch, with varying approaches, ranging from simple runflat replacement to the Kars Kits. However, in each of those approaches there are more than a handful of Vs out there that have employed those same tactics - unlike these axles, where there are only two - and in the majority of them, wheel hop was not wholly removed.
As was already alluded to, there are many factors that will influence the production of wheel hop. Given a specific set of conditions you can get no wheel hop on any V. So, that, in turn, elicits a wave of questions from potential customers - most, if not all, with a hopeful outlook - to better understand the possibility of wheel hop elimination. I'm not saying that that's the case with these axles. After all, I already made up my mind on these nearly a couple hundred posts back, when Knuguy posted the Drive Shaft Shops webpage. But then again, I may be the imprudent one here...
I broke diff number 5 last night at the drag strip, my V is now officially for sale.
Although, at this point, I don't know if n2o is just joking around or not, one failure out of the only two examples out there is certainly a reason to take pause - n2o, if you're serious, you need to post more details. Seriously.
So with that understanding, I don't think it's hard to see where these questions are coming from. You were initially quite amenable to the situation, but then, rather brusquely, went to the other extreme and, basically, put on an appalled face at the insolence of such inquiries. Perhaps, you might try the middle ground...
Now, get me my axles!
Please don't direct my set off to Guatemala or something.