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2004-2007 Cadillac CTS-V Performance Mods Discussion, Testing new fix for wheelhop: Custom Axles in Cadillac CTS-V Series Forum - 2004 - 2007; Originally Posted by CTSV_510 Make it so you don't have a choice. "Wifey, you wouldn't f-n believe what I just ...
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    Make it so you don't have a choice.

    "Wifey, you wouldn't f-n believe what I just found. Some goddam kids thought it would be funny to go under my V and cut BOTH rear axles in half! What is wrong with the youth of this country?! It's probably gonna cost us $2000 to fix this! "

    "Good news honey, I found out it's only going to be $1530 + labor to fix the axles on the V."

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    Re: Testing new fix for wheelhop: Custom Axles

    So how hard is it to swap the axles one's self? I haven't performed auto repair of that magnitude since I (helped) change the clutch on my 92 Saturn. That was pretty easy, but my uncle was as good a mechanic as I have ever seen, and now God Rest his soul. So I am on my own for this one.

    No, I think I will pay the stealer, I mean dealer (lolz at Tony) One of these days I am gonna stop by Motorwerks and talk to my guy there and see what they think about it. I figure if they install them, that would quell any warranty concerns.

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    Re: Testing new fix for wheelhop: Custom Axles

    if you can switch a clutch this is 10x easier.. 1 hour tops doing it in your driveway with hand tools. just unbolt everything out of the way, slide out axle and slide in new one.. there is nothing tricky or confusing about it. just out with the old and in with the new.

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    Re: Testing new fix for wheelhop: Custom Axles

    dont forget your torque wrench!

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    Re: Testing new fix for wheelhop: Custom Axles

    Quote Originally Posted by dynojetman View Post
    if you can switch a clutch this is 10x easier.. 1 hour tops doing it in your driveway with hand tools. just unbolt everything out of the way, slide out axle and slide in new one.. there is nothing tricky or confusing about it. just out with the old and in with the new.
    LOL an hour for the whole sheboygan!??! I'm going to hire you to work on my car then. You are the fastest mechanic on the planet!
    Not trying to be a dick, but let's not be misleading here.

    I would say it takes me at least 20 minutes just to get the wheels off and put in the air on jackstands. I say this job will take about 3 hours (1.5 hours a side) if you take your time and torque everything correctly.

    Follow up to the part about taking out the diff......
    http://www.cadillacforums.com/forums...f-install.html

    Maybe Ewill can chime in and tell us how much they charge for installing new axles, or what the service manual calls for as far as hours it takes.

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    Re: Testing new fix for wheelhop: Custom Axles

    Axles will be a snap. You don't need a torque wrench. Take the axle nut off with an impact and put it back on the same way. They have locks so they wont be going anywhere.

    The only thing I have ever used a torque wrench in this car for was the engine. The rest is pie. You take the wheel off. Bust the axle nut loose. Pull the upper a arm and pull the axle out. Thats about it.

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    Re: Testing new fix for wheelhop: Custom Axles

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    Axles will be a snap. You don't need a torque wrench. Take the axle nut off with an impact and put it back on the same way. They have locks so they wont be going anywhere.

    The only thing I have ever used a torque wrench in this car for was the engine. The rest is pie. You take the wheel off. Bust the axle nut loose. Pull the upper a arm and pull the axle out. Thats about it.
    Me no have impact wrench or a compressor. Me caveman and use muscles

    I agree though, I've only ever used a torque wrench on my header bolts.

    Plus, when I work on my car beer is a must so I account for that. Oh and listening to ha

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    Re: Testing new fix for wheelhop: Custom Axles

    You can pull the axle nut without an impact as well. Just have somebody stand on the brakes and use a breaker bar and a cheater pipe if needed. I have air tools but like doing things by hand. Unless its something like the axle nuts. If you have air its much easier because its a 1 person 1 minute job. Without, its still easy but I dont really have anybody to help me work on stuff so I do everything alone. Even when I put my engine and maggie in.

    FWIW

    I have never torqued header bolts. I use my wrench and my calibrated arm and snug them down. Have yet to have a leak. I do torque internal engine components though. Also, flywheel and pressure plate bolts. A torque wrench has never touched anything else on my car. Call me foolish. I dont care. Its my ride and I have to drive it. I have never had a failure of any kind because of the way I assembled my car and I have wrenched on many many cars.

    If you think you need to torque something, by all means dont let me keep you from it. Its just some people get a little crazy and think every single bolt has to be torqued to a specific spec. Common sense goes a long way when working on a vehicle.

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    Re: Testing new fix for wheelhop: Custom Axles

    Quote Originally Posted by ctsv154 View Post
    You can pull the axle nut without an impact as well. Just have somebody stand on the brakes and use a breaker bar and a cheater pipe if needed. I have air tools but like doing things by hand. Unless its something like the axle nuts. If you have air its much easier because its a 1 person 1 minute job. Without, its still easy but I dont really have anybody to help me work on stuff so I do everything alone. Even when I put my engine and maggie in.

    FWIW

    I have never torqued header bolts. I use my wrench and my calibrated arm and snug them down. Have yet to have a leak. I do torque internal engine components though. Also, flywheel and pressure plate bolts. A torque wrench has never touched anything else on my car. Call me foolish. I dont care. Its my ride and I have to drive it. I have never had a failure of any kind because of the way I assembled my car and I have wrenched on many many cars.

    If you think you need to torque something, by all means dont let me keep you from it. Its just some people get a little crazy and think every single bolt has to be torqued to a specific spec. Common sense goes a long way when working on a vehicle.
    It may sound nuts, but at my job (Nuclear Boiler & Condesor Mechanic) I have to be qualified to use a torque wrench. Im required to go to 8 hrs of in class training, 8 hrs of on the job training, and then I have to take an actual hands on test JUST to use a torque wrench, regardless of how many years you have been using one. There is a good reason for that though. We used a torque analyzer between 10 different people, and had to torque 100 ft lbs by arm (no torque wrench). Not one person was even close to the 100 ft lbs whether it was over or under that criteria. I used to feel the same way about working on my cars, why would I need a torque wrench? Simply for the peace of mind, that every bolt that I took out is back to it's proper specification that it is inteded to work at. Some are intended to stretch a bit, and some are intended to allow play. If you swapped out your diff bushing for a UUC, didnt use a torque wrench, and still had the clunk...how positive are you that the bolt was tight enough keeping it from clunking? When I hand torqued it, it was no where NEAR the 130 ft lbs needed. The rear lower shock mount is 111 ft lbs, who would have thought that much? Most of us would just tighten it up, which might be 50 ft lbs by hand depending on the tool you use. When nuts/bolts are torqued it reduces wear on bushings, therefore reducing the chances of squeeks, creaks, and failures. Basically, use one if you can. Pride of ownership and being a good mechanic reflect it.

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    Re: Testing new fix for wheelhop: Custom Axles

    Quote Originally Posted by mpunklil View Post
    It may sound nuts, but at my job (Nuclear Boiler & Condesor Mechanic) I have to be qualified to use a torque wrench. Im required to go to 8 hrs of in class training, 8 hrs of on the job training, and then I have to take an actual hands on test JUST to use a torque wrench, regardless of how many years you have been using one. There is a good reason for that though. We used a torque analyzer between 10 different people, and had to torque 100 ft lbs by arm (no torque wrench). Not one person was even close to the 100 ft lbs whether it was over or under that criteria. I used to feel the same way about working on my cars, why would I need a torque wrench? Simply for the peace of mind, that every bolt that I took out is back to it's proper specification that it is inteded to work at. Some are intended to stretch a bit, and some are intended to allow play. If you swapped out your diff bushing for a UUC, didnt use a torque wrench, and still had the clunk...how positive are you that the bolt was tight enough keeping it from clunking? When I hand torqued it, it was no where NEAR the 130 ft lbs needed. The rear lower shock mount is 111 ft lbs, who would have thought that much? Most of us would just tighten it up, which might be 50 ft lbs by hand depending on the tool you use. When nuts/bolts are torqued it reduces wear on bushings, therefore reducing the chances of squeeks, creaks, and failures. Basically, use one if you can. Pride of ownership and being a good mechanic reflect it.
    I would agree,i also would allow 2 hrs for install and dont be upset if it takes a lil longer

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    Re: Testing new fix for wheelhop: Custom Axles

    Quote Originally Posted by ctsv154 View Post
    You can pull the axle nut without an impact as well. Just have somebody stand on the brakes and use a breaker bar and a cheater pipe if needed. I have air tools but like doing things by hand. Unless its something like the axle nuts.
    There's an easy way to do it if you don't have a helper.....read my writeup.

    I agree, I would never use airtools (if I had em) on an axle nut.

    Also: I think I remember Ewill telling me you are supposed to replace the axle nut when you remove it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dynojetman View Post
    if you can switch a clutch this is 10x easier.. 1 hour tops doing it in your driveway with hand tools. just unbolt everything out of the way, slide out axle and slide in new one.. there is nothing tricky or confusing about it. just out with the old and in with the new.
    nothing to align? just in and out? (sounds like something else)

    I have an impact wrench, but I am always weary of using it. I only use it to remove lugnuts (always put them back on by hand)

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    Quote Originally Posted by JimmyH View Post
    nothing to align? just in and out? (sounds like something else)

    I have an impact wrench, but I am always weary of using it. I only use it to remove lugnuts (always put them back on by hand)
    Nothing to align is right. Just hold the rotor with your knee and pull the opposite way on the axle shaft....pop goes the weasel.

    The only thing you have to be careful with is reinstalling the new axle. Make sure you are straight on and don't disturb the axle seal on the diff. Stealerships use a special plastic shield, but I never used it when I did mine.

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    Re: Testing new fix for wheelhop: Custom Axles

    me and my friend did it in a hour and a half while talking and bullshitting most of the time.. Not even trying to hurry or anything.. But I know I could do it quicker if I was to do it again. Once I figured out one side the other side went way faster. It's honestly not that hard and doesn't take that much time with 2 people busting it out.. I thought it was going to be a nightmare when I started.. I planned for like 4 hours.. I couldn't believe how fast it went.

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    Re: Testing new fix for wheelhop: Custom Axles

    Quote Originally Posted by JimmyH View Post
    ... just in and out? ...

    Quote Originally Posted by lollygagger8 View Post
    ... use a special plastic shield ...



    I'm more than half way there in my "axles savings account" and continuing to find a few bucks here and there. Glad this is something I can do myself, 'cause there'll be no funds for the install.

    Thanks to lolly, ewill, 154, and others for blazing the trail for us followers.
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