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2004-2007 Cadillac CTS-V Performance Mods Discussion, Testing new fix for wheelhop: Custom Axles in Cadillac CTS-V Series Forum - 2004 - 2007; Originally Posted by rand49er Hate? Who's hating? Nobody's hating anything. When is asking a rational, logical question considered "hate?" Who ...
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    Quote Originally Posted by rand49er View Post
    Hate? Who's hating? Nobody's hating anything. When is asking a rational, logical question considered "hate?" Who the hell are you, anyway? I've waited over four years on this forum for a fix; I've seen "solutions" come and go. And, not only am I an "arm chair engineer," I'm an actual engineer ... with an actual engineering degree (plus a business degree, but who's counting), so back off. If I want to ask questions, what's it to you?!! I've modded my car and will continue to mod my car as I see fit, and nothing you of all people could say will somehow coerce me into suddenly thinking I'm wrong or out of place in asking logical, rational questions. I'm not going to plunk down fifteen hundred clams just 'cause you've got your panties in a knot.

    My interest is sufficiently piqued that I need to ask such questions. If I was disinterested, I'd move on to another thread. Isn't that obvious, or did I need to point that out to you?
    why would i have to back off? first off i dont remember where i singled you out when i responded. second i'm glad you are an engineer and have a business degree and like to mention that. I dont do around saying that I am a mechanical engineer for BMW who studies why vehicles breakdown to further my point in arguements. i dont say that I have engineering experience in design, production and testing. I dont pull that card around here because all that does is try to put people on different levels and i'm no better then anyone else here.

    also lastly if you were such an engineer the first thing you would have realized is that the vast majority of people anywhere arent able to understand 2/3rds of the things we do when it comes to physical properties. All you post did was try to make it seem like you are trying to challenge a retailer in an intellectual debate. maybe sending this question to the manufacture would have been wiser.

    is all of this because you have bought the KarsIII and you are resisting a different method to skin this cat?


    and once again i didnt single you out so i have no idea why you act like i did.

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    Re: Testing new fix for wheelhop: Custom Axles

    I got a really bad 2 weeks ahead of me at work, so I know I can't get a day to get to utah. But I more then likely will just order a set of axles and have them thrown in. My test won't be fair though, because I will also be installing the UUC dif bushing at the same time.

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    Re: Testing new fix for wheelhop: Custom Axles

    Quote Originally Posted by liqidvenom
    why would i have to back off? etc, etc.....
    Let's keep this conversation about the product here, not each other. Thanks.
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    Re: Testing new fix for wheelhop: Custom Axles

    this is entertaining

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    Re: Testing new fix for wheelhop: Custom Axles

    I broke diff number 5 last night at the drag strip, my V is now officially for sale.

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    Re: Testing new fix for wheelhop: Custom Axles

    Can I buy just the axels

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    Re: Testing new fix for wheelhop: Custom Axles

    Quote Originally Posted by n2ojunky View Post
    I broke diff number 5 last night at the drag strip, my V is now officially for sale.
    damn that BLOWS! you might wanna think about a C63 now at least benz isnt going bankrupt and actually making quality cars :/ what sucks more? they fact that you still have to fix it, its worth nothing w/ a broken diff i tried lol

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    Re: Testing new fix for wheelhop: Custom Axles

    So you broke a diff with these new axles?? was it hopping when it grenaded? What Rpm did you launch at??

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    Re: Testing new fix for wheelhop: Custom Axles

    Quote Originally Posted by n2ojunky View Post
    I broke diff number 5 last night at the drag strip, my V is now officially for sale.
    what was the situation when it broke? hop, insane launch rpm? slicks etc?


    not to be a vulture but, are you looking to part out anything on the car?

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    Re: Testing new fix for wheelhop: Custom Axles

    Hmmmmm......
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    Re: Testing new fix for wheelhop: Custom Axles

    Well, you started off great. You gave us a lot of info and a good measure of videos to allow us to assess the effectiveness of the axles in preventing wheel hop. You understood when people were inquisitive as to the nature of the axle build. And you attempted to provide answers to the best of your ability. But, in this one post, you've pretty much done a complete flip in your approach - rather abruptly, I might add.

    Why, all of a sudden, you feel that it is not your responsibility to fully address your potential customers' concerns is a bit odd, especially when you started off so customer/enthusiast-centric. You can not expect your potential consumers not to ask questions, technical or not, and you certainly should not admonish or gawk at the supposed 'audacity' of those who do. Whether you think those questions matter or not, is not the issue. If it matters to the consumer, it matters, period.

    Quote Originally Posted by dynojetman View Post
    You are asking questions that really don't matter.. Why does it matter how they work? If they work? I understand you are a technical guy and a engineer but the rest of us are not. All we care about is if it does the trick or not and this forum is getting filled with questions that has absolutely nothing to do with the axles fixing wheel hop. Regardless of what they are made out of, they work... Some of you guys are looking into this way too deep in my opinion..
    You can not categorically define the 'rest of us' as being wholly disinterested in the technicalities of these axles. As I saw it, there was certainly more than one person inquiring about these 'technical' questions, regarding the materials, dimensions, hardening and what-have-you. And these questions most certainly can not be categorized as having absolutely nothing to do with the discussion at hand.

    Quote Originally Posted by dynojetman View Post
    We really need to keep this simple. If you like what info I posted and how I saved you all a lot of money then buy them.. If you don't, then don't buy them. It's really that simple.. These are a LOT stronger than GM axles and they FIX wheel hop.. That is your answer and that is what I am providing you guys. The tech stuff really doesn't have anything to do with this thread and there is no reason to compare them to 09 axles, 07 axles or anything else. The fact is they do what they are supposed to do and they fix the problems you are all suffering from while offering a much better product than GM ever has.

    I don't have a gun to anyone's head, I am not forcing these down your throat.. I presented the info and let you decide if you want them. We have MANY pros to these and no cons that I can see.. That should be enough for anyone to make their decision. But I am not going to get into any more technical talk of WHY they work because quite frankly who cares, I don't care why they do their job.. All I care is I can mash the gas and go sideways and spin all day long without hop.. Thats what I care about.. The end result. BECAUSE THAT'S ALL THAT MATTERS.
    Just because you don't care, that does not unequivocally determine that that's all that matters. That's tantamount to telling your customers, "Who cares? You don't matter!"

    Quote Originally Posted by dynojetman View Post
    I am not upset with you or anyone else asking these questions.. But they really need to stop, if you MUST know how things work call up DSS directly, but don't be offended if he tells you the same thing I just did... It is a waste of everyones time.. If you want to buy a pair of axles and rip them apart and try to figure out why they do what they do, go for it. Until then let's just agree that they are amazing and will make a lot of V owners smile when they hit the gas pedal... You are trying to dig way deep in something that doesn't need to be dug into. We need to keep it simple and save the useless tech questions. We have answered well more than enough tech questions about them from metal types to axle sizes and strength and to different size tubes.. Let's just leave it alone now. Here is the deal. 800 HORSE AXLES. WARRANTIED FOR A YEAR.. FIXES WHEEL HOP.. $1530.00.. Take it or leave it.
    One of the members made the helpful suggestion that you start a new thread for the dedicated purpose of coordinating a group buy, since this particular thread is a discussion - one in which the focus of a group buy might be 'diluted' and or 'cluttered' by the ongoing discussion. A discussion invariably involves those curious things often referred to as questions, which may, very well, be technical in nature.

    Even you, yourself, stated, in the dedicated group buy thread, the following:

    Quote Originally Posted by dynojetman View Post
    Let's keep the tech questions in the other thread.. This is just for a sign up list...
    So, that statement would seem to suggest that you aren't of the view that technical questions are generally useless, but just that those that have been posed in this particular thread happen to be useless. In that case, would you be so kind as to clarify what would qualify as a useful technical question with respect to this discussion?

    With that said, my only posts were (before the group buy):
    Quote Originally Posted by atdeneve View Post
    If a bunch of us are gonna get this, it'd be worth it to see if we can coordinate something to get a better price as a group...
    And (as the questions started to roll in):
    Quote Originally Posted by atdeneve View Post
    Just let me know when we can start getting these ordered...
    Which amounts to me saying, not much more than, "Just give me my axles. Pwease."

    Personally, I did feel that the technical aspects as to the basis of how these axles functioned was an already familiar topic - at least, enough that I was more than comfortable purchasing a set. After all, it has been a year (or more) now that the asymmetrical axle approach and the mechanism by which they functioned has been known and utilized on the V2 prototypes. So, now that they are finally readily available for the V1s, well, I didn't feel compelled to extract any more persuasion. So, again, amongst all the questions concerning these axles, my only two posts in this thread amounted to not much more than, "Let's git to steppin'."

    However, if others felt there were some pertinent questions remaining, although I 'thought' we already knew the basic answers, there may be some credence there and I fail to see the harm in further probing the specs of this particular axle set, especially since it's nothing less than an opportunity to gain some further insight. It's good for those that just want to 'know'. It's good for those that are on the fence. Which, from where I'm standing, means it's also good for you.

    And you can't blame people for asking questions. Yes, on the one hand you have those that fervently exclaim on repeated occasions, "If you fix wheel-hop, you'll have X-illion amount of people lining up to buy it." Then you offer it, and what? It actually seems to take some coaxing to get just the first 10 to 20 people to sign up. Ridiculous, right?

    Well, although, it certainly seems to be a proven fix in the videos supplied, you can also see many occasions of such video where there are Vs that have no apparent (zero) wheel hop from a standing launch, with varying approaches, ranging from simple runflat replacement to the Kars Kits. However, in each of those approaches there are more than a handful of Vs out there that have employed those same tactics - unlike these axles, where there are only two - and in the majority of them, wheel hop was not wholly removed.

    As was already alluded to, there are many factors that will influence the production of wheel hop. Given a specific set of conditions you can get no wheel hop on any V. So, that, in turn, elicits a wave of questions from potential customers - most, if not all, with a hopeful outlook - to better understand the possibility of wheel hop elimination. I'm not saying that that's the case with these axles. After all, I already made up my mind on these nearly a couple hundred posts back, when Knuguy posted the Drive Shaft Shops webpage. But then again, I may be the imprudent one here...

    Quote Originally Posted by n2ojunky View Post
    I broke diff number 5 last night at the drag strip, my V is now officially for sale.
    Although, at this point, I don't know if n2o is just joking around or not, one failure out of the only two examples out there is certainly a reason to take pause - n2o, if you're serious, you need to post more details. Seriously.

    So with that understanding, I don't think it's hard to see where these questions are coming from. You were initially quite amenable to the situation, but then, rather brusquely, went to the other extreme and, basically, put on an appalled face at the insolence of such inquiries. Perhaps, you might try the middle ground...

    Now, get me my axles! Please don't direct my set off to Guatemala or something.

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    Re: Testing new fix for wheelhop: Custom Axles

    I am just the vendor here doing my very best to take care of all of you. I have tried to show pics and vids to show they work.. But everyone needs to understand I don't build them. I can't answer every question. I am doing my best here.. If anyone has serious technical questions that I cannot answer please call DSS directly. As I said, I am not turning away from technical questions but people are asking things I cannot answer because I honestly don't know. I don't mean to offend anyone or act like I don't care. I have done my best here to present what I Know and hopefully everyone can see that. I offered to let anyone drive my car and offered to take vids / pics of anything people asked.. But that is about the best I can do and I am sure you all understand that. Anyone with further technical questions other that has been already discussed should call DSS direct.. I have done the best I can.. I am not going to say things I don't know or pretend I know. If I don't know something I admit it instead of guess and make myself look bad. I HAVE ABSOLUTELY NOTHING TO HIDE.. I am not trying to hide anything from anyone and I am not here to pull a fast one on anyone. I just refuse to lie or pretend to know something I Don't.. All I know is they fix wheel hop. At least they did on my car as you can see from vids and pics.. Which is why I am here explaining it to all of you and offering you all a nice discount to purchase your own set if you want them.

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    Re: Testing new fix for wheelhop: Custom Axles

    Longest post ever,my head hurts

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    Re: Testing new fix for wheelhop: Custom Axles

    a post so long i needed a drink to finish reading it

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    Re: Testing new fix for wheelhop: Custom Axles

    dynojetman. I appreciate the work, openness, willingness to help, and the ability to take a slight beating here with no upside for yourself personally. I do understand everyone wanting to know the physics behind these, I also am curious, but I understand that you have posted up as much as you know. DSS should be the ones to go after if we want to know every detail up to their trade secrets.

    If I was closer to you I'd go and take a spin in your car.... thanks for the offer, but I'll have to pass. I do hope someone takes you up on it though. Your videos seem to present some pretty compelling evidence, so I thank you for the effort and your steps to get us to this point.

    I hope randy and darkman get their questions answered, I hope to see a couple more installed to see the results. Thanks again

    EDIT: yeah +1 on the holy long post (not that it was bad reading or anything atdeneve ). I shoud have grabbed a beer while I read that... I could have finished it before I was done reading

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