575 Hp / 585 tq XLR-V run's 12.7 @ 112....(CTS-V Specific)

[trukk]

Guys,

I'm having a little conversation with Mark from D3, over in this thread:

http://www.cadillacforums.com/forums...tor-trend.html (XLR-V Article by Motor Trend)

In a nutshell, I think his claim that the D3 XLR-V has 575 hp / 585 tq (flywheel not rwh) doesn't add up to a 12.7@112. Even with horrific traction in bad conditions that trap of 112 doesn;t equal those power claims.

He said he'd have a run with a magnacharged CTS-V, and walk all over it. Anyone up for this in SoCal? I'd love to see vido of it, and if I'm wrong I'll eat crow.

-Chris

[CTSV_510]

112 mph? That doesn't sound even close to right if those are real power figures.

C'mon SoCal guys - go show 'em!

I also didn't realize how heavy those things are. How are they the same weight as us?

Maggied V's should get 117 mph, no?

[LUVMY04V]

Originally Posted by trukk

Guys,

I'm having a little conversation with Mark from D3, over in this thread:

http://www.cadillacforums.com/forums...tor-trend.html (XLR-V Article by Motor Trend)

In a nutshell, I think his claim that the D3 XLR-V has 575 hp / 585 tq (flywheel not rwh) doesn't add up to a 12.7@112. Even with horrific traction in bad conditions that trap of 112 doesn;t equal those power claims.

He said he'd have a run with a magnacharged CTS-V, and walk all over it. Anyone up for this in SoCal? I'd love to see vido of it, and if I'm wrong I'll eat crow.

-Chris

Maybe those things have bad drivetrain loss?? and horrible launches like all of the v's???

[trukk]

Originally Posted by LUVMY04V

Maybe those things have bad drivetrain loss?? and horrible launches like all of the v's???

My basically stock CTS-V with nearly bald tires ran a 13.6 @109 back in the day with a 2.4 60'. The ET & 60' shows the bad traction/launch, the MPH shows the power.

A 575hp/585tq car should have more than a 112 mph trap.

-Chris

[PSRmark]

Hey guys, Mark from D3 here...

I am accepting races.

But I promise we WILL have real tires on it for whoever shows up

[The Tony Show]

This thread is relevant to my interests.

[Dr. Design]

I am sorry, but this is pretty pathetic. For starters you go into an XLR-V forum (a car that you don’t even own) to basically call BS on what we do from an article that was tested/published by Motor Trend. With only knowing the information that you read in the article you try to call us out on EVERYTHING we do rather than the real focus of just the XLR-V that was tested. Now its turning into CTS-V guys vs. D3 Cadillac (XLR-V). We are always up for a little competition. But it certainly shouldn’t come from within the community in this manner. What happened to support and unity for one cause, CADILLAC? This is immature and uncalled for. You keep saying these numbers don’t add up and it should do this and should do that. But the bottom line is you don’t know enough about the car to know what it should and shouldn’t do. For starters it is NOT a CTS-V. Nor does it operate like a CTS-V. There are many differences in the drive train, torque nannies, TC nannies, timing, boost, etc... But I am sure you already knew that given your vast knowledge of tuning XLR-V's.

Your whole rant about DA not being a factor is completely misplaced. DA does make a difference. Even moreso on an S/C car like this where heatsoak is a known issue. Also I am sure you already knew that the vehicle wasn’t even ran on the actual 1/4 mile track but parallel to it on a paved road, i.e. un-prepped surface. The factory tests on a prepped 1/4 mile track. The true way to see how much faster this vehicle was, was to test it against a stock XLR-V at the same time in the SAME conditions.

You obviously don’t like D3 for whatever reasons you state, that’s fine. Let that be your opinion and yours only and stop trying to circle the mob around us based on your biased opinion.

Thank you,

James
D3 Cadillac

Originally Posted by trukk

Guys,

I'm having a little conversation with Mark from D3, over in this thread:

http://www.cadillacforums.com/forums...tor-trend.html (XLR-V Article by Motor Trend)

In a nutshell, I think his claim that the D3 XLR-V has 575 hp / 585 tq (flywheel not rwh) doesn't add up to a 12.7@112. Even with horrific traction in bad conditions that trap of 112 doesn;t equal those power claims.

He said he'd have a run with a magnacharged CTS-V, and walk all over it. Anyone up for this in SoCal? I'd love to see vido of it, and if I'm wrong I'll eat crow.

-Chris

[bigREDfreshness]

[pveomett]

[pveomett]

Originally Posted by bigREDfreshness

Damn, your quick!

[The Tony Show]

I think this is a great chance for D3 to show what they've got. If the MT test conditions were that unfair to your XLR-V, I think you'd be chomping at the bit to run it on a prepped 1/4 mile with some decent rubber and show everybody how fast the car is. You were the one to suggest the challenge.....

Originally Posted by d3Mark

Bring that CTS-V down, I will gladly walk all over it

....so let's see it happen.

[lollygagger8]

Oh man this will be a good one!

[trukk]

Originally Posted by Dr. Design

I am sorry, but this is pretty pathetic. For starters you go into an XLR-V forum (a car that you don’t even own) to basically call BS on what we do from an article that was tested/published by Motor Trend. With only knowing the information that you read in the article you try to call us out on EVERYTHING we do rather than the real focus of just the XLR-V that was tested. Now its turning into CTS-V guys vs. D3 Cadillac (XLR-V). We are always up for a little competition. But it certainly shouldn’t come from within the community in this manner. What happened to support and unity for one cause, CADILLAC? This is immature and uncalled for. You keep saying these numbers don’t add up and it should do this and should do that. But the bottom line is you don’t know enough about the car to know what it should and shouldn’t do. For starters it is NOT a CTS-V. Nor does it operate like a CTS-V. There are many differences in the drive train, torque nannies, TC nannies, timing, boost, etc... But I am sure you already knew that given your vast knowledge of tuning XLR-V's.

Your whole rant about DA not being a factor is completely misplaced. DA does make a difference. Even moreso on an S/C car like this where heatsoak is a known issue. Also I am sure you already knew that the vehicle wasn’t even ran on the actual 1/4 mile track but parallel to it on a paved road, i.e. un-prepped surface. The factory tests on a prepped 1/4 mile track. The true way to see how much faster this vehicle was, was to test it against a stock XLR-V at the same time in the SAME conditions.

You obviously don’t like D3 for whatever reasons you state, that’s fine. Let that be your opinion and yours only and stop trying to circle the mob around us based on your biased opinion.

Thank you,

James
D3 Cadillac

Translated for clarity:

You are pathetic.
You don't own an XLR-V, so you can't know anything about them.
Don't pick on us.
Excuse.
Excuse.
Excuse.
Excuse.
-The Doctor

James,

It is my opinion that: you guys overhype your products, and underdeliver on what makes it to market. When an article like that comes out, and the numbers look bad, it makes our community look bad.

If you stand behind your product why not line up for some runs. I appreciate that Mark replied to my posts in a mature way, without name calling (ahem). I may not agree with him, but I do respect his responses.

I'm not trying to make this an us vs. them thing. We all support hot rod Cadillacs. I'd love for you guys to prove that, by making some runs.

We can do a few highway rolls (on a private course in Mexico of course), and see what's up. Traction and tire issues get thrown out the window in this scenario, and it all really becomes power vs. power.

It all boils down to my opinion that 112mph does not add up to 575 hp / 585 tq. Make me a believer. I will happily eat crow if needed. I'll even change my Avatar to a D3 logo. I want to believe that someone has made an AMG eating XLR.

-Chris

[LUVMY04V]

Originally Posted by The Tony Show

This thread is relevant to my interests.

LOL hahaaha

[JD03Cobra]

Nothing wrong with a little competition within the same brand...