Traction Kit Group Buy info "Upgraded KARS Stage III Kit"

[rand49er]

Originally Posted by deedubb

I'm not meaning this to sound rude, but if the data doesn't exist, on what basis did you come to your conclusion with?

Just playing devils advocate here.

I started a thread way back when to find out how I should proceed with protecting my new diff after my maggie install:

http://www.cadillacforums.com/forums...rotection.html

I was considering BMR or KARS or ? Saw my KARS on eBay last October and snagged it. Paid about the same as if it was new from Doug. Debated about installing it, then decided to go ahead this past April prior to Summit Point.

Chris' video (as do other vids) shows not even a hint of WH from my casual observance. But, what if you put on some sticky tires? What if there was some sticky pavement? What if the temperature was high? ... low? ... worn tires? ... wet pavement? ... and on and on. When I was stock, mine would hop on wet pavement and even on a bit of ice! That was with nearly virgin F1 runflats. There's just a lot of variables involved ... it'd be nice to be able to understand the whole thing better, that's all.


(No, you didn't sound rude at all. Hope I didn't/don't.)

[Errol @ TPS]

The cradle has very soft mounts in this car for ride quality purposes. The Kars kit bolts to the cradle in two locations, and the bottom of the rockers to tie them together, and reduce the ability for the cradle to move around so much. The KARS kit at the same time reduces the amount of movement from the diff, via the pinion support, while at the same time not being too rigid. When things are too rigid, they break. When things are to soft, they are able to bounce around too much. The movement throws camber, caster, and most importantly toe out during heavy load. There is no stability. The KARS kit should work well in most, if not all conditions by introducing the much needed stability under heavy load. On my IRS street/drag car, that weighs 3400lbs with driver, I am able to cut 1.31 short times with a few little tricks and the correct alignment for that situation. I actually toe the rear tires out 1 degree because during heavy acceleration they toe back it that far. The only rubber bushings that remain in the car are those at the upper and lower control arms, and the toe links. Rear end and cradle are solid mounted.

Hope the explanation makes sense.

Originally Posted by rand49er

I started a thread way back when to find out how I should proceed with protecting my new diff after my maggie install:

http://www.cadillacforums.com/forums...rotection.html

I was considering BMR or KARS or ? Saw my KARS on eBay last October and snagged it. Paid about the same as if it was new from Doug. Debated about installing it, then decided to go ahead this past April prior to Summit Point.

Chris' video (as do other vids) shows not even a hint of WH from my casual observance. But, what if you put on some sticky tires? What if there was some sticky pavement? What if the temperature was high? ... low? ... worn tires? ... wet pavement? ... and on and on. When I was stock, mine would hop on wet pavement and even on a bit of ice! That was with nearly virgin F1 runflats. There's just a lot of variables involved ... it'd be nice to be able to understand the whole thing better, that's all.


(No, you didn't sound rude at all. Hope I didn't/don't.)

[MauiV]

I would be interested to see how this works with a set of BFG drag radials hooking instead of the wheels spinning and all that power grabbing on these infamously weak diffs.

How hard to remove the kit before taking the car into the dealer if I do happen to blow my diff in the next 16 months of warrenty?

[deedubb]

Originally Posted by rand49er

I started a thread way back when to find out how I should proceed with protecting my new diff after my maggie install:

http://www.cadillacforums.com/forums...rotection.html

I was considering BMR or KARS or ? Saw my KARS on eBay last October and snagged it. Paid about the same as if it was new from Doug. Debated about installing it, then decided to go ahead this past April prior to Summit Point.

Chris' video (as do other vids) shows not even a hint of WH from my casual observance. But, what if you put on some sticky tires? What if there was some sticky pavement? What if the temperature was high? ... low? ... worn tires? ... wet pavement? ... and on and on. When I was stock, mine would hop on wet pavement and even on a bit of ice! That was with nearly virgin F1 runflats. There's just a lot of variables involved ... it'd be nice to be able to understand the whole thing better, that's all.


(No, you didn't sound rude at all. Hope I didn't/don't.)

I understand your point.

[stkshkr]

I had lots of drag and street launches with Doug's KARS (over 300). It does not cure wheel hop but greatly reduces it. Doug clearly stated that when he sold the kits. Rand49er is exactly right. With drag radials at a 2500 RPM launch I had no hop. On Eagle F1's NRF it would hop a little and above 2500 it would hop like a bunny.

I have Dougs KARS Traction package with subframe connectors and I have no hop under any conditions!!! (1.60 60' times)

[Errol @ TPS]

Very Nice!
What does it run?

Originally Posted by stkshkr

I had lots of drag and street launches with Doug's KARS (over 300). It does not cure wheel hop but greatly reduces it. Doug clearly stated that when he sold the kits. Rand49er is exactly right. With drag radials at a 2500 RPM launch I had no hop. On Eagle F1's NRF it would hop a little and above 2500 it would hop like a bunny.

I have Dougs KARS Traction package with subframe connectors and I have no hop under any conditions!!! (1.60 60' times)

[04vman]

Still have not heard a word on the kit. How much? Are they even available?

[csp3000]

Originally Posted by 04vman

Still have not heard a word on the kit. How much? Are they even available?

PM sent

[By By C Ya]

How long before they are ready for shipment??

[csp3000]

Originally Posted by By By C Ya

How long before they are ready for shipment??

Hopefully Friday kits are going to be shipped.

[buf05CTSV]

So if I read correctly, there is minimal welding required, or no? And this does not cure wheel hop, but reduces it significantly, correct?

[CTSV05]

Well, well, well, I was wondering how long it would take.

No, I'm not proud, other than more expensive materials, and a TIG process as opposed to a MIG process, I see a less hand crafted unit, AND...and its wayyyyyyyyyyyyy more expensive than the one I !INVENTED! that I only sold less than 50 of in almost 3 years, btw.

Oh, Mine only weighed 15lbs shipping weight, you do the math.

BUT...I do appreciate some name recognition anyway, Ty.

Good Luck.

[Errol @ TPS]

You should be proud. It is an excellent design, and it works extraordinarily well.

Originally Posted by CTSV05

Well, well, well, I was wondering how long it would take.

No, I'm not proud, other than more expensive materials, and a TIG process as opposed to a MIG process, I see a less hand crafted unit, AND...and its wayyyyyyyyyyyyy more expensive than the one I !INVENTED! that I only sold less than 50 of in almost 3 years, btw.

Oh, Mine only weighed 15lbs shipping weight, you do the math.

BUT...I do appreciate some name recognition anyway, Ty.

Good Luck.

[CTSV05]

Originally Posted by Errol @ TPS

You should be proud. It is an excellent design, and it works extraordinarily well.

Ok, you're right...lol...I was and always will be proud of My kit, I think Florian meant of being copied though.

It was kickass, it was on Our car for over 40,000k miles with no issues.

Gawd I miss My V....wahhhhh!

[stkshkr]

Good to see you back on the board Doug!