Bolton Mods and cam only RWHP?

[peedeerooster]

I think the heads are ultimately responsible for the torque I am now making, Makes it very fun to just pull out and accelerate taking each gear to about 3500 RPM's. If just pulls the car well.

[JonCR96Z]

Originally Posted by JonCR96Z

I'm gonna say 457rwhp and 433rwtq assuming dynojet. For Trukk I'll guess 435rwhp/398rwtq - mustang dyno.

Originally Posted by peedeerooster

Guess what, 465rwhp/437rwtq sae net.

I'm gonna have to start betting on this stuff. I got Trukk's HP on the money and within 3 on the TQ. And what 8 rwhp/4 rwtq on PDR's (and Vengeance's dyno is on up there in the happiness scale).

You guys are in the presence of greatness and you didn't even know it. Buleedat Ked!!

[Twitch]

Originally Posted by peedeerooster

Hope I haven't forgot anything. I will start from the cold air and got to the exhaust tips.

Volant cold air
descreened maf
Vengeance ported 90MM trottlebody
Vengeance ported 92MM fast intake
42lb SVO injectors
Trickflow 215 CNC ported heads
Yella Terra roller rockers
Vengeance VRX3 camshaft
Underdrive pulley
Kooks 1 3/4" jet hot headers
Magnaflow offroad xpipe
Magnaflow Catback
Final tune was at Carolina Speed shop in Conway, SC using EFI live software.

I think that is it. If I left something out and remember it, I will come back and modify the post. If this package had more cam and did not have the heavy flywheel and rear we have, I think it would push 500hp. But, you know the CTSV needs more torque, thus the VRX3. I now have 380+ ft/lbs of torque at 3000 RPM. Torque is over 400ft/lbs at around 3400 RPM. It will really push this car effortlessly. Also, if you roll into the throttle at around 2000 RPM in 2nd gear, when the tach gets to around 5000 rpm, it is spinning the tires in second gear. I though that was impressive for a naturally aspirated 346. Also the torque peaks at 4700rpm and horsepower peaks at only 6200 RPM. Torque stays over 380 ft/lbs from 3000 RPM to 5800 RPM.

So what's the total cost, and where is vengeance? How long did they have your car?

Tony

[jerrycecco]

wow, I posted something on the Maggie thread I should have posted here:

I have a 2004 CTS-V.......I did the supercharger, tuning, pulley, suspension (all the work) to a 1996 Cobra, when I live in Oakland.
Today, I live in Dallas where the temps get into the 90+ ALOT, I'm looking at cam and headers.
I beleive the LS6 V's put down about 330RWhp (correct me if I'm wrong)
After talking with QMS in Lewisville, hitting 410+ rwhp is acheivable.
So I'm looking at getting the Kooks 1 3/4 headers, cam*, ported/polished throttle body/intake & tune.
*Only question is cam size. Patrick @ QMS talked about two cams:
street cam @ 224/232 or step up cam @ 228/236.
From the dyno sheet attached I like the step up cam, but like to see how it idles and how the cars drives at low, parking lot speeds.

Q to CTS-V owners with cams: What cams your running? what HP did you achieve? quality of ride post cam installation?

--Jerry

[onebadcad]

Originally Posted by trukk

I need to get some heads

-Chris

You looking to bet banned bro'?!?!-JFWY.

Look into Patriot, half the price/twice the value, unless of course you still have money the wifey does not know about.

[HushH]

Originally Posted by JonCR96Z

... (and Vengeance's dyno is on up there in the happiness scale)...

I've found just the opposite to be true. Most everyone that I know that has dynoed at Vengeance and on another Dynojet has made more elsewhere.

[trukk]

Originally Posted by jerrycecco

wow, I posted something on the Maggie thread I should have posted here:

I have a 2004 CTS-V.......I did the supercharger, tuning, pulley, suspension (all the work) to a 1996 Cobra, when I live in Oakland.
Today, I live in Dallas where the temps get into the 90+ ALOT, I'm looking at cam and headers.
I beleive the LS6 V's put down about 330RWhp (correct me if I'm wrong)
After talking with QMS in Lewisville, hitting 410+ rwhp is acheivable.
So I'm looking at getting the Kooks 1 3/4 headers, cam*, ported/polished throttle body/intake & tune.
*Only question is cam size. Patrick @ QMS talked about two cams:
street cam @ 224/232 or step up cam @ 228/236.
From the dyno sheet attached I like the step up cam, but like to see how it idles and how the cars drives at low, parking lot speeds.

Q to CTS-V owners with cams: What cams your running? what HP did you achieve? quality of ride post cam installation?

--Jerry

224/228 111+0, .609/.588 xe-r/xfi. added +57 rwhp, +45 rwtq:

http://www.cadillacforums.com/forums...p-45-rwtq.html

-Chris

[JonCR96Z]

Originally Posted by HushH

I've found just the opposite to be true. Most everyone that I know that has dynoed at Vengeance and on another Dynojet has made more elsewhere.

Oh I thought that I had heard that somewhere, maybe I was mistaken.

[PISNUOFF]

Originally Posted by JonCR96Z

Oh I thought that I had heard that somewhere, maybe I was mistaken.

Originally Posted by HushH

I've found just the opposite to be true, Dumba$$. Most everyone that I know that has dynoed at Vengeance and on another Dynojet has made more elsewhere. I don't know where you get your crappy information from, but you need to quit opening your huge pie hole when you don't have a damn clue what you are talking about.

What a tough crowd.

[JonCR96Z]

Originally Posted by Ron@Vengeance

Our dyno is super high. We pride ourselves on having the highest numbers on any dyno in the world. I've read posts that claim that our numbers are not exaggerated and that is absolutely not the case. We have had stock C5 vettes put down over 450rwhp on our dyno. If you don't appreciate that, then you can take your super low dyno graph and shove it right up your dynos operators ass. So quit being little whinny ass bitches and put down the dyno numbers on our dyno that most only dream about.

I was just going by what the guy at Vengeance said. Sorry to upset you HushH

[PISNUOFF]

[rand49er]

Originally Posted by PISNUOFF

What a tough crowd.

Took a double take on this one. I don't care who you are, that there was funny!

I've never heard HushH to be mean to anyone ... very even-tempered, thoughtful guy. And, didn't remember his reply sounding so downright nasty. Geez, if you don't go back and reread the original post, somebody could really stir things up here!

[peedeerooster]

Guys, when I dynoed near home after Vengeance had installed the parts and tuned it, it was less than 10hp greater than the 430/400 I had dynoed at Vengeance. That was after adding the Magnaflow Xpipe and catback to get the extra 10rwhp. So, there dyno is not generous. To get the 465/437 on the local dyno now versus Vengeance dyno, I had added the Magnaflow Xpipe, catback and 42lb injectors plus tuned again. I think all these numbers add up and prove that Vengeances' dyno is not generous. Since I dynoed on a different dyno and picked up 35/37 sae net, it came from better exhaust flow plus the 42lb injectors and a retune. It all makes sense to me and I can definetely fell the differnce. Looks like the 430/400 that I got from the Vengeance dyno was spot on compared to where I am now. There dyno is not lying. After what I had done, I really believe that the Vengeance dyno is accurate. Thanks.

[Maximusthefarmer]

Peedeerooster, do you mind sharing what your setup from Vengeance cost you? I am moving to Florida soon and am seriously considering dropping my car off at Vengeance on the way down..those are some great numbers. After missing out on the StealthV maggie, I am ready to spend some money for some serious hp.

[peedeerooster]

What they charged me was what I would have considered to be very fair price wise. When I started, my car was box stock. To get it where it is today, I have over $9000 dollars in it. But, like I said, if you total my complete bill up, the price was fair. They charged me around $1200 for installing all of the parts and $500 or so to tune it. The thing is when you buy a good set of heads and all of the right parts to support it, you might as well go ahead and plan on that range. It might have been a little cheaper to do a Maggie, but I am pleased to be making what I have on all motor. It's like the $500 to do the roller rockers, but if you don't on a daily driver like I have and run a high lift cam, the bronze valve guides will wear out in around 10k miles. So it is not cheap to build that much power NA for a daily driver running 93 octane. The heads and the rockers alone will push $3000 dollars alone. I have Kooks jet hot headers and that is another $1000 dollars right there. So when you add up the parts to buy what I have it is not cheap. Like I said, the labor for the install and tune was only about $1700, the rest is in parts. Just for all the right parts was over $7000. So that's how the numbers add up. You can go this route or the Maggie and be close. It is my opinion alone that a well built NA motor will live much longer when it is a daily driver like mine. That's why I went the NA route. I just think there is alot more pressure on the bottom end with a supercharger. It is my opinion that if you are going to run a supercharger, that a built bottom end is needed for a daily driver.