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2004-2007 Cadillac CTS-V General Discussion Discussion, Rear wheel facing the wrong way in Cadillac CTS-V Series Forum - 2004 - 2007; Long story short - while leaving work a kid ran into the street and I swerved to avoid him. Hit ...
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    Rear wheel facing the wrong way

    Long story short - while leaving work a kid ran into the street and I swerved to avoid him. Hit the curb with my RR wheel after doing a 180, and here's the result. I couldn't have been doing more than 20 at the time so I'm sort of surprised there's so much damage - but I suppose the vehicle wasn't meant to be driven into curbs.

















    So I guess my question for those of you more familiar with the vehicle is - what am I looking at? I'm thinking (hoping?): replace the control arm and hope for the best? Anything else I'm missing? I should add that I'm new to RWD so the components aren't intimately familiar to me. Any help would be appreciated.

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    Re: Rear wheel facing the wrong way

    You bent your toe rod into an "S" curve. I can see it clearly in the last picture. Look straight up from the caliper. You'll need to replace it and get an alignment. Here's a picture of what the toe rod should look like:



    Here's a partial picture of the OEM toe rod on the left side of my car (right side of the picture):



    And here's one of my BMR toe rods (the red rod to the left of the hub):


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    Re: Rear wheel facing the wrong way

    Right on, so it's a dealer only part, correct? Replace it and cross my fingers, you think? I was worried about the upper and lower control arms - I know aluminum doesn't generally bend but those wishbones are a funny shape and I couldn't tell if mine was bent.

    Anyone have a part no. for the toe rod?

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    Call Luke at Lindsay. Might have to wait till Monday, though.
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    Re: Rear wheel facing the wrong way

    It's hard to tell what might be bent based on blurry cellphone pics. (What happened to the days when people took pictures with digital cameras so that pictures were actually clear?) I would be concerned the trailing arm is bent, as it clearly took some impact from the wheel (4th pic). And I'm also curious if the "ears" on the stamped steel lower control arm are bent as a result of the knuckle being twisted that much - I don't know if there's enough flex in the bushings to allow the knuckle to have that much toe in without something bending. The wheel bearing/hub assembly may be toast from the load that was applied to it.

    Some unsolicited advice... I'm not trying to be a dick here, but if you lost control of the car due to a single evasive maneuver at not even 20mph, you need to work on your driving. Get to an auto-cross event and figure out how the car handles at the limit. Presumably, you didn't hit the kid, which is good, but the fact that you lost control of the vehicle in such an innocuous situation is bad. In a different situation, you may have missed the kid, only to spin into an oncoming car, or to spin and hit the other kid who crossed the street ahead of his friend.
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    Re: Rear wheel facing the wrong way

    I have the rear upper control arm and trailing arm if needed
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    AAIIIC, good call on the wheel bearings. They could easily be trashed. If I were the guy, I'd disengage the parking brake, spin the rotor by hand, and see if I could work the hub at angles. Listen for abnormal sounds, excessive play, and binding.

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    Re: Rear wheel facing the wrong way

    AAIIIC - I appreciate the mechanical advice. To clarify: I hit the curb at around 20. I was probably doing about 35 at the time of the maneuver. I do think that you're right that the best outcome was avoiding the child, but I can't agree with your autocross suggestion. It was a panic situation where a kid darted across the street, I wasn't trying to drive my car at the limit. I understand the concept of muscle memory from riding streetbikes, but this was a case where given the distance and time I had to act I feel I did the best thing (even if it does mean I have to shell out some money for repairs).

    I did use a digital camera (Canon SX210 is) but I was in a hurry to get pictures before it got dark and didn't get everything focused, I was supposed to meet someone for a date tonight. I can get clearer pictures if needed. What you see on the trailing arm is where the tire rubbed the paint off as I drove a short distance.

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    Re: Rear wheel facing the wrong way

    I would check eBay for toe rods, if you can do without your car for several weeks, or consider this an opportunity to pick up a set of Creative Steel or BMR toe rods. Presently, a quick check of eBay indicates that there are no used toe rods available. But they pop up now and again.

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    Re: Rear wheel facing the wrong way

    Quote Originally Posted by AAIIIC View Post
    Some unsolicited advice... I'm not trying to be a dick here, but if you lost control of the car due to a single evasive maneuver at not even 20mph, you need to work on your driving. Get to an auto-cross event and figure out how the car handles at the limit. Presumably, you didn't hit the kid, which is good, but the fact that you lost control of the vehicle in such an innocuous situation is bad. In a different situation, you may have missed the kid, only to spin into an oncoming car, or to spin and hit the other kid who crossed the street ahead of his friend.
    Ouch!!!!!

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    Re: Rear wheel facing the wrong way

    Darien, I'm currently parting out an '05 and have the complete rear suspension and subframe available. PM me exactly what you need as my prices are more than fair.

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    Re: Rear wheel facing the wrong way

    Damn eagle, I wish I had seen this before right now. I just bought the toe rod from the local dealer to the tune of $150. Definitely get it used if you can if you're ever in my situation. I'm going to try to replace it after work tomorrow night and hope that solves my issue, but if not I'll be in contact.

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    Re: Rear wheel facing the wrong way

    Not a problem. It if turns out "it wasn't what you needed" and you take the part back I would only have asked like $35 shipped. I just got access to the forum tonight after 6 weeks of being locked out, otherwise I probably would have seen it sooner.

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    Re: Rear wheel facing the wrong way

    Bring it back at that price...
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    Re: Rear wheel facing the wrong way

    Junior - get in touch with me and I'll see if i can take it back.

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