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    Re: ZDDP modifier.

    Quote Originally Posted by MoistCabbage View Post
    Question: Has anyone here, NOT using a ZDDP modifier, or high ZDDP oil, ever had any type of engine failure, or excess bearing wear, due directly to inferior lubrication.
    Good Point . . and Zinc Dialkyl Dithiophosphate is in most all oil.
    It has just been reduced over the years because, catalytic convertors can become coated or so 'they' say.
    Although, I have personally never had to replace a 'cat', and always passed State inspection, using oil with 1300ppm as opposed to the normal (today) of 600ppm to 800ppm.
    It is a good anti-wear / antioxidant which helps prolong oil life.

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    The only issue (in my opinion) with using current of the shelf oil is that the emissions regulations seem to be making it worse as time goes on. I just put it in as a feel good item really. Does it do anything? Probably not, but it doesn't hurt anything, and why not prolong the life of the parts inside as much as possible. It just gives the valve train and all the bearings a nice comfortable place to live is all. Its pretty much fact that most oils have dropped zddp levels in recent decades in the name of protecting emission systems. I'm just putting in what they left out. Its like having cookies without a glass of milk... Can you eat em without milk? Sure... But it sucks lol

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    Re: ZDDP modifier.

    Quote Originally Posted by RyRidesMotoX View Post
    I don't go trolling other peoples threads. I was seeing if anyone had ever used it, since it was the only one on the shelves the other day. I guess mutual respect is not shown even amongst adults on forums anymore.
    The only disrepect I see in this thread is from a ZDDP user calling someone an "ornery, dim-witted jerk" () because that someone tried to inject some tech into this thread.

    Quote Originally Posted by RyRidesMotoX View Post
    The only issue (in my opinion) with using current of the shelf oil is that the emissions regulations seem to be making it worse as time goes on.
    Making them worse how? More and more folks are coming to the realization that with modern motor oils not only do you not need to change your oil every 3000 miles, but that 10k or 15k can be fine. And we get that longer life despite the fact that the oils have been optimized for efficiency to gain that all-important (to the OEMs) extra last 0.5mpg in the EPA mileage ratings on the window sticker.

    Quote Originally Posted by RyRidesMotoX View Post
    I just put it in as a feel good item really. Does it do anything? Probably not, but it doesn't hurt anything, and why not prolong the life of the parts inside as much as possible. It just gives the valve train and all the bearings a nice comfortable place to live is all. Its pretty much fact that most oils have dropped zddp levels in recent decades in the name of protecting emission systems. I'm just putting in what they left out.
    I think Submariner409's point is simply that the engineers who create the "built-in" additive packages for today's motor oils have already put in what they "left out", so adding the ZDDP additive is superfluous.

    I'm not anti-ZDDP. I'm certainly no master mechanic, but I've done a couple of engine replacements, and I use break-in additive and/or Joe Gibbs Racing break-in oil during the break-in of the new motors. Like you, I do it as a peace of mind kind of thing - it's probably not necessary, but it makes me feel better during that important first 1000mi or whatever. After that, though, I just don't see any benefit to it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AAIIIC View Post
    The only disrepect I see in this thread is from a ZDDP user calling someone an "ornery, dim-witted jerk" () because that someone tried to inject some tech into this thread.

    Making them worse how? More and more folks are coming to the realization that with modern motor oils not only do you not need to change your oil every 3000 miles, but that 10k or 15k can be fine. And we get that longer life despite the fact that the oils have been optimized for efficiency to gain that all-important (to the OEMs) extra last 0.5mpg in the EPA mileage ratings on the window sticker.

    I think Submariner409's point is simply that the engineers who create the "built-in" additive packages for today's motor oils have already put in what they "left out", so adding the ZDDP additive is superfluous.

    I'm not anti-ZDDP. I'm certainly no master mechanic, but I've done a couple of engine replacements, and I use break-in additive and/or Joe Gibbs Racing break-in oil during the break-in of the new motors. Like you, I do it as a peace of mind kind of thing - it's probably not necessary, but it makes me feel better during that important first 1000mi or whatever. After that, though, I just don't see any benefit to it.
    I am not sure where I was being a jerk in the thread. I just read all my posts to confirm that but I may be slightly biased. In all honesty I agree with everything people are saying about not using the zddp. The oils that most companies are kicking out contain less and less zinc. That is a fairly large part in the lubrication of valve train components. I feel its similar to when they stopped using lead in fuel. The lead was a soft metal that would keep the hardened valves clean. However, with zddp, I have always used it, and I have always had a great record with motors even though I drive them real hard. Cabbage is right there is no way to confirm whether or not a motor or the valve train fails due to not using it that is why I agreed with him. And submariner is correct as well they do still put it in and the zinc is thought to cause cats to fail. But I'm not really worried about cats since I don't have the stockers anymore and if the current racing cats get messed up then I'd just throw in a cat less pipes. I'd rather have more protection than I need. Like I said its how I've always done it. Always, from day one with my first car to today, that's the way my dad started doing his cars in the 90s, like father like son I guess. And I'll probably have my little minion change the oil in his cars the same way when he gets old enough to start shifting gears instead of picking his nose lol. Cuz it always worked for me.

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    Re: ZDDP modifier.

    Quote Originally Posted by RyRidesMotoX View Post
    I am not sure where I was being a jerk in the thread.
    I didn't say you were a jerk; the bit I quoted was from HAMSTAR.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AAIIIC View Post
    I didn't say you were a jerk; the bit I quoted was from HAMSTAR.
    Oh gotcha... Well this thread went to shit anyways lol.

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    Re: ZDDP modifier.

    Quote Originally Posted by RyRidesMotoX View Post
    Well this thread went to shit anyways lol.
    In that case, what are your thoughts on Amsoil? My uncle is a dealer so I can get directly from him. Currently I'm using Mobile 1 5W30.

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    Re: ZDDP modifier.

    I used it in my 6.5 diesel. I liked it. I sent a sample to be tested at 10k miles and they said it could go at least another 5k before the change... but diesel is a whole different animal. I use Mobil1 in my car, never had a problem, and of course the evil zddp addative in it.

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    Re: ZDDP modifier.

    Yeah I spend a lot of time in western PA and the farmers all use Amsoil in their equipment. I ignored ever using it but some still highly recommend it...I don't get it but oh well.

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    Re: ZDDP modifier.

    I though Darkman uses Amsoil? Maybe not but I thought I read that somewhere.

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    Re: ZDDP modifier.

    Quote Originally Posted by philistine View Post
    Yeah I spend a lot of time in western PA and the farmers all use Amsoil in their equipment. I ignored ever using it but some still highly recommend it...I don't get it but oh well.
    Yea I liked it, never had a problem. I think my uncle uses it in our farm equipment in Oregon but I don't know for sure so I can't comment on it. I would get it but it is so much easier to just run to walmart and get Mobil1 for $22 for a 5qt jug.

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