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    All Weather Tires

    I’ve come to grips with the fact that our F-1 runflats suck in the snow and are low-mileage tires. Additionally, they appear to be a major culprit in the “wheel hop” that many of you are experiencing. What I can’t come to grips with is the fact that merely driving in cold weather appears to be as treacherous with the F-1’s as driving in snow with my other previous muscle cars. Quite frankly, I’ve never seen anything like this in all my years of driving. Don’t get me wrong, my “V” is a great car and I positively loved it until these recent bouts of cold weather here in eastern PA.

    Let’s cut to the chase – my Goodyear F-1’s are definitely going bye-bye as soon as possible! My question is what would be a good “All Season” type tire for my type of driving? I don’t do burn-outs or run road courses. I want good handling, of course, and I do enjoy the occasional “stop light race” against the boy racers (love to see the look on their faces.) There has to be a tire out there that would fit my needs. Any suggestions?

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    Re: All Weather Tires

    I live in McLean, VA right outside Washington, D.C. and everytime the temperature drops near freezing, I have no traction, and my car is brand new, so my F-1 have full tread. They suck, how Goodyear can release these tires is beyond me. I am personnal thinking about getting Michelin PS2... they are relative new tires that everyone seems to rave about. Guess I will have to buy a can of Instant Flat Fix

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    Re: All Weather Tires

    Quote Originally Posted by NIK
    I’ve come to grips with the fact that our F-1 runflats suck in the snow and are low-mileage tires. Additionally, they appear to be a major culprit in the “wheel hop” that many of you are experiencing. What I can’t come to grips with is the fact that merely driving in cold weather appears to be as treacherous with the F-1’s as driving in snow with my other previous muscle cars. Quite frankly, I’ve never seen anything like this in all my years of driving. Don’t get me wrong, my “V” is a great car and I positively loved it until these recent bouts of cold weather here in eastern PA.

    Let’s cut to the chase – my Goodyear F-1’s are definitely going bye-bye as soon as possible! My question is what would be a good “All Season” type tire for my type of driving? I don’t do burn-outs or run road courses. I want good handling, of course, and I do enjoy the occasional “stop light race” against the boy racers (love to see the look on their faces.) There has to be a tire out there that would fit my needs. Any suggestions?
    If you don't care about the runflats take a look at the Falkin ST115's

    http://www.carsound.com/review_archi...NIS_ST115.html

    I just installed these and love them. The only thing is the sidewall is different that the goodyears so there is a little space between the rim lip and rubber.

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    Re: All Weather Tires

    Does anyone have any experience with the Goodyear RS/A runflats? I want to stick with runflats, but definitely want a longer lasting and preferably better year round tread (I do care about cold weather performance, though I do not care about snow performance. The V is not my snow car).

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    Re: All Weather Tires

    Quote Originally Posted by 6104696
    Does anyone have any experience with the Goodyear RS/A runflats? I want to stick with runflats, but definitely want a longer lasting and preferably better year round tread (I do care about cold weather performance, though I do not care about snow performance. The V is not my snow car).
    My “V” is not my snow car either – my ’99 DeVille is (God bless it.) But I do want to drive my “V” in cold weather without feeling like I’m driving on ice! Our Goodyear F-1’s should come with a warning about cold weather performance and how dangerous it can be. My car is new (3600 miles) – I can’t even imagine these tires with 6,000 or 7,000 miles on them! I’ve driven 2 GTO’s, 3 Trans-Ams, 1 Mustang (you get the picture) through many winters and never experienced anything like driving the “V” in the Winter!

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    Re: All Weather Tires

    Based on participating is this forum since August it seems quite obvious to me that there is fairly broad agreement among the owners that the F-1’s are a poor choice for this car. The problem is that they appear to be a very narrow application tire that probably should not have come on this car as standard equipment. Between the short tread life, poor cold performance and possible involvement in the “wheel hop” and vibration issues, I think that few of us would be looking to put another set of these on the car.

    I have to admit that I probably did not do as much background investigation before I bought the car as I should, but to be honest, I just fell in love with the V and bought it. The dealer gave me no indication of the potential shortcomings of the tires prior to my purchase.

    The point to my rambling here is to ask the question if any of you that know more about the “General” feel that we have any way to get GM and our dealers to help make this right? Sure, all of us can try to go one-on-one with our dealers, but it seems we may have more impact as group. It would seem that GM would want to keep the owners of the first car in the V series happy.

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    Re: All Weather Tires

    I like to group approach... anyone know how to do it? The only thing good I can say about the F-1's is the lip protection they provide for the rim. That's it, otherwise they SUCK, SUCK, SUCK!

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    Re: All Weather Tires

    Quote Originally Posted by homer403
    I live in McLean, VA right outside Washington, D.C. and everytime the temperature drops near freezing, I have no traction, and my car is brand new, so my F-1 have full tread. They suck, how Goodyear can release these tires is beyond me. I am personnal thinking about getting Michelin PS2... they are relative new tires that everyone seems to rave about. Guess I will have to buy a can of Instant Flat Fix
    The PS2 - and any other summer high performance tire - will suck in the cold. Maybe not as much as the fmts, but it's a characteristic of a sticky tire.

    As for the group objection to the tires, I couldn't join in good conscience even if it got cold here. The manual has a warning in it, summer tires are summer tires and haven't changed their characteristics, and some drivers have managed to get decent mileage out of them. They must not use the power available to them as frequently as the rest of us, but . . .

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    Re: All Weather Tires

    Quote Originally Posted by 6104696
    Does anyone have any experience with the Goodyear RS/A runflats? I want to stick with runflats, but definitely want a longer lasting and preferably better year round tread (I do care about cold weather performance, though I do not care about snow performance. The V is not my snow car).
    Please do not get RS/As......ever. Just don't. Other than maybe killing a family member, this would be the worst decision you could ever make. Ever.


    Is there any other way in which I could stress this more?

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    Re: All Weather Tires

    Quote Originally Posted by thebigjimsho
    Please do not get RS/As......ever. Just don't. Other than maybe killing a family member, this would be the worst decision you could ever make. Ever.


    Is there any other way in which I could stress this more?
    What are RS/As? Please elaborate. Thanks.

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    Re: All Weather Tires

    They are OE tires on many new cars since the early 90's. They came with my father's '95 Lumina LT. They were severe underperformers on THAT car. On well more than 1 occasion they were the tire that was equipped on a car that got bad reviews when it came to handling. After testing the latest Eclipse, in which got poor reviews for handling, Car and Driver pointed out they've always had poor results with this tire and recommended enthusiasts to dump this tire as quickly as possible.

    After ditching these, my father bought a tire that was FAR superior, the Dunlop D60 A2. A nice tire, but it isn't even close to a max tire and IT WAS THAT MUCH BETTER.

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    Re: All Weather Tires

    After one of the worst driving experiences of my life, driving in snow two weeks ago in the original equipment tires, I bought and installed Dunlop Winter Sport M3s. Last night and today we had the first snow (Detroit) since then. I can't believe the difference! In several inches of snow, and on plowed roads with a packed snow surface, I didn't even slip enough to engage traction control. I had complete control. Even stopping was great. I didn't push the car too much of course, and mostly I started in 2nd gear, but I wasn't overly conservative either. With those tires this is definitely the best 2WD vehicle I've ever driven in snow. A few times I tried quick acceleration on a straight road, with no one near me, with not one spin or slip. I'm amazed, and very happy with the Dunlops.

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    Re: All Weather Tires

    No harm intended, but I think you are over-reacting to cold weather traction. (Also, treadwear on a high-perf tire does nothing to help dry traction... solely there to displace water when driving in the rain). I have had Pirelli, Continental, Michelin, Dunlop, and now Goodyear tires on high-perf cars (993, Viper, M5, CTS-V)... and they all got slippery when the ground was near freezing. And they were all crap in the snow, with the minor exception of the Porsche on Continentals (they were a bit better in the cold as well). I actually prefer that the general put extremely sticky tires on the car, and delivered a four-door Corvette... but that's me.

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    Re: All Weather Tires

    Quote Originally Posted by thebigjimsho
    They are OE tires on many new cars since the early 90's. They came with my father's '95 Lumina LT. They were severe underperformers on THAT car. On well more than 1 occasion they were the tire that was equipped on a car that got bad reviews when it came to handling. After testing the latest Eclipse, in which got poor reviews for handling, Car and Driver pointed out they've always had poor results with this tire and recommended enthusiasts to dump this tire as quickly as possible.

    After ditching these, my father bought a tire that was FAR superior, the Dunlop D60 A2. A nice tire, but it isn't even close to a max tire and IT WAS THAT MUCH BETTER.
    I don't want to :deadhorse , but I see that there is an RS/A RUNFLAT with a much higher treadwear rating than the F1 and a whole bunch cheaper (and available in CTSV size). Anybody know if the RS/A runflat is any better than the ones that tested so horrendously? Also, last night in my porcelain library I re-read the R&T sedan test of last year where the 3.6 CTS was judged superior to the others (300C, Mercedes, BMW, Volvo, etc.) Guess what tires it was wearing? RS/A's (non-runflat, I presume). Nothing was said about the tires one way or the other, but I found it interesting that there was no complaints. So, I am not doubting the comments of BigJimSho (he has clearly shown that he knows his sh*t, even though he still lives in MA ), but is there any chance that 1) the runflats are better than the conventional RS/A's, or 2) that the tires have been improved since the awful reviews noted above?

    I personally don't mind giving up "some" handling performance in exchange for longer tire life, better ride, and/or less road noise.

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    Re: All Weather Tires

    Quote Originally Posted by 6104696
    So, I am not doubting the comments of BigJimSho (he has clearly shown that he knows his sh*t, even though he still lives in MA
    What? Are you a Yankees fan?

    When you type in "some" handling, that sounds like a "little" handling. I think most people here have traded in just a little handling but gained a whole lot more in treadlife, comfort and low noise from the F1 GS-D3.

    Maybe Goodyear has improved the RS/A somewhat over the years. Maybe the extra strength in the runflat versions sidewall will help turn-in. BUT if people have noticed some difference between our F1 Supercar and the GS-D3, and the GS-D3 has been heralded by many and is much recommended by the Tire Rack, how on earth can the RS/A be anywhere close to your expectations? Unless you have lowered them quite a bit and want something better than a snow tire, then maybe they'll work for you.

    Don't forget, the RS/A is not a Max Performance tire. It's not even an Ultra High Performance All-Season. It's only a High Performance All Season. High Performance may sound cool..........if you were putting them on a Grand Am.

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