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09-27-04, 04:51 PM
| | Cadillac Owners Member | | | | Keep the '02 M5 Vs Buy The V Analysis Looks like a toss-up to me in cost of owning one over the other over the next 4 years. Any thoughts as to my analysis? Might just come down to personal preference since the numbers seems to add up.
Buyout of M5 (end of lease) $47,000
Tax & Reg. on purchase $4,600
Extended Warranty $3,700
Tires $1,200
Total Buyout $56,500 M5 Advantages
Classic design, End of era
High quality components
No vibration or road noise Disadvantages
Rough ride
Dealer Service sucks
Depreciation over next 4 yrs $30,000
Value in 2009 $26,500
Net Cost to own $30,000
Per Mi 48m miles driven $0.63
Per Month Cost $625
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CTS V Purchase $39,000 (Employee Discount estimate)
Sunroof $1,000
Sales Tax & Lic. $4,500
$44,500
Net CTS V cost $44,500 CTS V Advantages
Cutting edginess design, modern
Smoother ride
Better Nav, HVAC & Audio
Less intrusive Stabilitrack with 2 levels including off
Roomier
Plays DVDs
Dealer Service Disadvantages
Lower quality fit and finish
Rear-end noise & vibration at high speed
Depreciation over next 4 yrs $30,000
Value in 2009 $14,500
Net Cost to own $30,000
Per Mi 48m miles driven $0.63
Per Month Cost $625
Am I missing anything?  | 
09-27-04, 04:57 PM
| | my name is Tiffany Cadillac(s): 05 CTS-V | | Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: San 'tone, TX | | | Re: Keep the '02 M5 Vs Buy The V Analysis well, don't forget not everyone has rear-end whine/vibration. i'm lucky so far.
she's been a true gem. | 
09-27-04, 05:04 PM
| | Cadillac Owners Member | | | | | Re: Keep the '02 M5 Vs Buy The V Analysis Quote: |
Originally Posted by urbanski well, don't forget not everyone has rear-end whine/vibration. i'm lucky so far. | How many miles so far without the whine? | 
09-27-04, 05:05 PM
|  | Cadillac Owners Connoisseur Cadillac(s): CTS-V bl/bl CAGS!, BB X-pipe, Baer Extreme Plus Brakes | | Join Date: May 2004 Location: Phx, Arizona Age: 41 | | | Re: Keep the '02 M5 Vs Buy The V Analysis I have not had rear end while/vibration either. I agree the interior differences between the two are great.
What about any insurance differences, and gasoline costs (one gets better MPG I am assuming)? Dgtal | 
09-27-04, 05:15 PM
| | Cadillac Owners Member | | | | | Re: Keep the '02 M5 Vs Buy The V Analysis Quote: |
Originally Posted by DgtalPimp I have not had rear end while/vibration either. I agree the interior differences between the two are great.
What about any insurance differences, and gasoline costs (one gets better MPG I am assuming)? | Glad to hear no rear end noise, how many miles do you have?
As far as gas, both about 18mpg, normal driving combo city/hwy. Any differene would be pennies
Insurance I estimate about the same. The M5 is about $900/yr currently and would expect the V to be comparable. | 
09-27-04, 05:31 PM
| | my name is Tiffany Cadillac(s): 05 CTS-V | | Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: San 'tone, TX | | | Re: Keep the '02 M5 Vs Buy The V Analysis Quote: |
Originally Posted by Johnny_D How many miles so far without the whine? | 2000 | 
09-27-04, 05:34 PM
| | Cadillac Owners Connoisseur Cadillac(s): 2004 V | | Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Calif. Age: 42 | | | Re: Keep the '02 M5 Vs Buy The V Analysis Why are you thinking about selling the M5? | 
09-27-04, 05:44 PM
|  | Cadillac Owners Connoisseur Cadillac(s): CTS-V bl/bl CAGS!, BB X-pipe, Baer Extreme Plus Brakes | | Join Date: May 2004 Location: Phx, Arizona Age: 41 | | | Re: Keep the '02 M5 Vs Buy The V Analysis Quote: |
Originally Posted by Johnny_D Glad to hear no rear end noise, how many miles do you have? | 5500 miles.
One note on the V.
I did have a bad set of rear tires, they needed to be replaced at 4500 miles. Dgtal | 
09-27-04, 06:10 PM
| | Cadillac Owners Enthusiast Cadillac(s): V2 | | Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: TX Age: 33 | | | Re: Keep the '02 M5 Vs Buy The V Analysis No whine for me either 4500 miles. | 
09-27-04, 06:34 PM
| | Cadillac Owners Member | | | | | Re: Keep the '02 M5 Vs Buy The V Analysis Quote: |
Originally Posted by Dreamin Why are you thinking about selling the M5? | Something different and new to me. The most difficult part is that the M5 is nearly perfect!  Check out my listing. http://www.autotrader.com/fyc/vdp.js...ed=n&cardist=0 | 
09-27-04, 06:48 PM
|  | Cadillac Owners Connoisseur Cadillac(s): Twin-Turbo Bimmer/C6Z06 Hunting... | | Join Date: May 2004 Location: MN>ND>MN>SD>IL>MN>IL Age: 41 | | | Re: Keep the '02 M5 Vs Buy The V Analysis Keep the M5 and buy a new Z06 for cheap (the new C6 has destroyed the market) or buy a new Corvette C6 for a fun, beat-the-snot-out-of car. | 
09-27-04, 07:23 PM
| | Cadillac Owners Enthusiast | | | | | Re: Keep the '02 M5 Vs Buy The V Analysis I've got over 5k miles.... there is some rear-end whine when I lift off the throttle at speed. Mine is not horribly loud, and I had a bad case on a Viper GTS... so perhaps I am not as sensitive. I've had an occassional slight giggle in the steering wheel at speed... not sure if it is related to tire wear or anything else. Since I am no longer on the autobahns, I don't really notice either to any great extent. | 
09-27-04, 08:06 PM
| | Cadillac Owners Fanatic | | Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Atlanta, GA | | | Re: Keep the '02 M5 Vs Buy The V Analysis Something you did leave out which I think illustrates the total cost of ownership to 2009 a bit better.
You have (2) VANOS controllers on your M...pretty much a little servo that makes the M5 a hoot....but cost $1600 each to replace. By way of comparison you can pretty much buy an entire CTS-V LS6 motor from a salvage yard for what those two VANOS controllers cost.
Anyhow I love the M5, it's a great car, but (IMOHO) is starting to look a little dated. the CTS-V has a "nicer" (feature wise) interior but is "cheaper" in materials and quality. That said the new "5" while "nicer" than the e39 is also "cheaper" looking IMOHO too.
As for getting a two cars, if you do that I think you should keep the M5 and get a Lotus Elise. A Z06 would be fun, but the Elise is a motorcycle on four wheels and I'm sure it's a blast to drive.
-Adam | 
09-27-04, 08:33 PM
| | Cadillac Owners Member | | | | | Re: Keep the '02 M5 Vs Buy The V Analysis Quote: |
Originally Posted by Shinkaze ..total cost of ownership to 2009 a bit better.
You have (2) VANOS controllers on your M...pretty much a little servo that makes the M5 a hoot....but cost $1600 each to replace. By way of comparison you can pretty much buy an entire CTS-V LS6 motor from a salvage yard for what those two VANOS controllers cost.
Anyhow I love the M5, it's a great car, but (IMOHO) is starting to look a little dated. the CTS-V has a "nicer" (feature wise) interior but is "cheaper" in materials and quality. That said the new "5" while "nicer" than the e39 is also "cheaper" looking IMOHO too.
As for getting a two cars, if you do that I think you should keep the M5 and get a Lotus Elise. A Z06 would be fun, but the Elise is a motorcycle on four wheels and I'm sure it's a blast to drive.
-Adam | Quote: |
Originally Posted by StealthV Keep the M5 and buy a new Z06 for cheap (the new C6 has destroyed the market) or buy a new Corvette C6 for a fun, beat-the-snot-out-of car. | Two very good points. First, my wife has a BMW Z4 3.0 so we already have the fun car. I need a 4dr to carry passengers so I am restricted. My wish list is rear wheel, stick shift and 400hp. This pretty well makes it a short list. I am terribly conflicted on this. The worst choice would still be a kick-ass car. I really can't go wrong.  | 
09-27-04, 10:28 PM
|  | Cadillac Owners Enthusiast Cadillac(s): 2004 CTSV | | Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Denver | | | Re: Keep the '02 M5 Vs Buy The V Analysis Quote: |
Originally Posted by DgtalPimp 5500 miles.
One note on the V.
I did have a bad set of rear tires, they needed to be replaced at 4500 miles. Dgtal | Just curious, dgtalpimp, why were the tires replaced? Uneven wear, vibration due to out of round condition, ??? | | Cadillac Discussion Tools | | |
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