SCCA solo

[thebigjimsho]

eh, worked late tonight and didn't have even 10 minutes to play earlier. figured I'd give it a few minutes but I gotta get up early again tomorrow so I'm almost done...

[ccextra1976]

Originally Posted by thebigjimsho

eh, worked late tonight and didn't have even 10 minutes to play earlier. figured I'd give it a few minutes but I gotta get up early again tomorrow so I'm almost done...

work sucks!!...i got to get up in 6 hours lol

[thebigjimsho]

i was up at 4AM...

[branland]

Autocrosses are great fun. As mentioned, you can probably do fairly well at the local level if you get a set of tires and Hawk pads. I may take mine down to the stadium here in San Diego this summer. I told myself I wouldn’t race this car because I have a shifter kart that I’m supposed to be racing. But the kart is a really expensive little toy and it’s a minimum of $500 if you even look in it’s direction. So I may take the car out in stock trim just to get my fix.

[SuperVeee]

Originally Posted by psycho43142

F stock is owned by the Shelby GT until there is a rules change and put it where it belongs in ESP, if it hasn't already been done as I haven't checked in a while. i do AX mine between 15-20 times a year and generally run with OVR in Columbus, OH, WOR in Dayton, and MVSCC in Dayton and am usually fairly competitive unless a Shelby shows up.

2009 SCCA SOLO:

Shelby GT = F stock
Shelby GT 500 = A stock
CTS-V = F stock
2006-8 M5 = A stock

[psycho43142]

Originally Posted by SuperVeee

2009 SCCA SOLO:

Shelby GT = F stock
Shelby GT 500 = A stock
CTS-V = F stock
2006-8 M5 = A stock

As I said that Shelby GT belongs in ESP, all the things done to it are Ford Racing after market parts but if you put them on a plain GT you go to ESP, and the in F stock they are usually quicker than the ESP cars. At the 2007 nationals it was quick enough it could have won B stock. The GT 500 is a pig and probably wouldn't be competitive in F let alone in A stock. I'm seriously thinking of getting rid of the V and getting a club sport Solstice to play with.

[thebigjimsho]

get rid of V?

[ESPVee]

Originally Posted by psycho43142

As I said that Shelby GT belongs in ESP, all the things done to it are Ford Racing after market parts but if you put them on a plain GT you go to ESP, and the in F stock they are usually quicker than the ESP cars.

Never gonna happen. First, numbers in FS are way up thanks to the Shelby GT and that's making money for SCCA. Second, I have to dispute your claim that an FS Shelby GT is faster than a prepped ESP car. PAX for ESP is .846 and .833 for FS, so theoretically on the same 60 second course the ESP car should be .780 seconds faster than the FS car. In the real world, Sam Strano won FS in a Shelby GT last year with an 83.709 time while Mark Madarash won ESP in an 88 T/A with an 82.599 time.

Besides, Sam Strano is the man. He could drive a Javelin in FS and make it freakishly fast.

[psycho43142]

Originally Posted by ESPVee

Never gonna happen. First, numbers in FS are way up thanks to the Shelby GT and that's making money for SCCA. Second, I have to dispute your claim that an FS Shelby GT is faster than a prepped ESP car. PAX for ESP is .846 and .833 for FS, so theoretically on the same 60 second course the ESP car should be .780 seconds faster than the FS car. In the real world, Sam Strano won FS in a Shelby GT last year with an 83.709 time while Mark Madarash won ESP in an 88 T/A with an 82.599 time.

Besides, Sam Strano is the man. He could drive a Javelin in FS and make it freakishly fast.

The year before he was fast enough in FS to have won ESP, and you are right the numbers may be up, but everyone I know who ran FS have switched to ESP now because of the Shelby, so in essence it is now a one car class which isn't good for anyone except the people that are willing to pay that outlandish price to get a Shelby, and yes it is outlandish. The problem I have is if you can have these things done by Shelby to the car and stay in FS, then why can't you let everyone with the same type car do the same.

[SuperVeee]

Originally Posted by psycho43142

The year before he was fast enough in FS to have won ESP, and you are right the numbers may be up, but everyone I know who ran FS have switched to ESP now because of the Shelby, so in essence it is now a one car class which isn't good for anyone except the people that are willing to pay that outlandish price to get a Shelby, and yes it is outlandish. The problem I have is if you can have these things done by Shelby to the car and stay in FS, then why can't you let everyone with the same type car do the same.

Well obviously there are the rules which are why you can’t modify some other car and run it in F stock. The good part is they have so many classes in SCCA to choose from especially if you want to modify your car. If you have a stock CTS-V and want to just have fun in F stock then you are golden however if you feel the need to compete at a high level in F stock then you need to buy another car.

Of course if GM and Cadillac would like to get back into racing and develop parts for a GT version of the CTS-V and sell to the public then you would probably be running that new car in F stock and the mustang guys would be bitching.

This is just the typical evolution of all the stock classes when new cars come out and bump everyone down until sometimes SCCA moves them later to other classes.

If you really feel strongly about the current Mustang F stock problem you may want to try the SCCA forum and formally write the board. Writing the board is probably the only way you can have any impact on a future class change. http://www.sccabb.com/

[ESPVee]

Originally Posted by psycho43142

The problem I have is if you can have these things done by Shelby to the car and stay in FS, then why can't you let everyone with the same type car do the same.

Because Ford sells the Shelby GT as a factory option package. It's no different than the SS equipment on a Camaro or the Z06 package on a Corvette. Neither the SS or Z06 is excluded from stock classes, so why should the Shelby be treated any differently? Should the GT500, Bullitt and California Special models be kept out of FS too? If so, why not ban the GT and just let the V6 Mustang be the car in FS?

Pony cars go to FS. That's just the way it goes. Earlier decisions to put the terminator Cobra in AS, for example, get reversed fairly quickly.

[psycho43142]

Originally Posted by ESPVee

Because Ford sells the Shelby GT as a factory option package. It's no different than the SS equipment on a Camaro or the Z06 package on a Corvette. Neither the SS or Z06 is excluded from stock classes, so why should the Shelby be treated any differently? Should the GT500, Bullitt and California Special models be kept out of FS too? If so, why not ban the GT and just let the V6 Mustang be the car in FS?

Pony cars go to FS. That's just the way it goes. Earlier decisions to put the terminator Cobra in AS, for example, get reversed fairly quickly.

The Camaro SS was put in A stock until recently where it was uncompetetive just like the GT500. I follow your logic but last I checked the Shelby cars are rebuilt by Shelby not Ford just like Roush and Saleen Mustangs and they are excluded from stock even though they are sold by select Ford dealers. V6 mustangs are in G stock. No the other models are obsolete because of the Shelby, as are all other cars in F stock. To give you an idea the fourth place finisher at nationals last year runs in Columbus, OH and had never AX a V8 rwd car till this year and beat guys who have spent years driving the cars, the year before he ran a Mazda 3 and the year before that ran a Mini.