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I think I have made a cam decision...finally

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Thanks to all who gave me input.. especially Trukk.

Well I guess after football season, when the TIDE get gone rolling the country, when I can actually afford to have the car down and not be dumping money on tickets and hotels and nonsense I will get the car into Vengeance racing in ATL.

I was not sure wether to go with a more docile cam, the VRX3 @ 226/228 .585/.588 114 LSA but with much deliberation I think I have arrived at a decision..

Vengeance Racing VRX4 228/230 .588/.592 112 LSA 389.00
Patriot Gold 'Extreme' Dual springs 255.00
Comp Hardened Rods(7.4 stock length) 115.00
Cloyes Gear 9-3153A HP Hex-A-Just True Roller Set 169.00
total 928.00

I hope to be in the 400's, with around 370ish tq.

Anyone think I am leaving anything out here?
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Re: I think I have made a cam decision...finally

Hope all goes well
I think this is the route I will be taking next year, look foward to how it all goes, heard nothing but positive about Vengence.
If you don't mind I'm interested in how much this will cost installed.
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Re: I think I have made a cam decision...finally

While they're down there you might as well get them to put on an underdrive pulley and a new timing chain.

I assume you have no plans for FI in the future, so you made a good choice on the cam.

EDIT: I forgot, you might need bigger injectors. Vengeance will tell you if you need them.
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Re: I think I have made a cam decision...finally

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While they're down there you might as well get them to put on an underdrive pulley and a new timing chain.

I assume you have no plans for FI in the future, so you made a good choice on the cam.

EDIT: I forgot, you might need bigger injectors. Vengeance will tell you if you need them.
exactly, no plans on F/I..

The timing chain is being replaced, its the Cloyes adjustable gear... I took a page out of Trukks book, he used it in his install. Its a little more than a Katech chain, but I think its worth it.
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Re: I think I have made a cam decision...finally

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exactly, no plans on F/I..

The timing chain is being replaced, its the Cloyes adjustable gear... I took a page out of Trukks book, he used it in his install. Its a little more than a Katech chain, but I think its worth it.
Thanks for the props

You really only need to get a hex adjust if you think Ron @ Vengence might advance or retard your cam. I'd talk to him about it and see. I went that route since I was getting a custom ground cam, and wasn't sure what the 'real' specs would be untill I got it, thus I wanted that safety net. If Ron doesn't think he'll do that, then I'd go with the KaTech.

I also used 7.425" pushrods, FWIW, because I have an LS6. Check with Ron on this, and make sure you tell him you have an LS6, and not a LS1/2.

Make sure you do a nice write-up, with pics, vids, before and after dyno's, etc. You are going to love having a cam, and it REALLY turns heads.

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Re: I think I have made a cam decision...finally

Timely post. I think I'll contact Vengeance after the new year to get a cam thrown in.
ROLL TIDE!!!!
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Re: I think I have made a cam decision...finally

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Thanks for the props

You really only need to get a hex adjust if you think Ron @ Vengence might advance or retard your cam. I'd talk to him about it and see. I went that route since I was getting a custom ground cam, and wasn't sure what the 'real' specs would be untill I got it, thus I wanted that safety net. If Ron doesn't think he'll do that, then I'd go with the KaTech.

I also used 7.425" pushrods, FWIW, because I have an LS6. Check with Ron on this, and make sure you tell him you have an LS6, and not a LS1/2.

Make sure you do a nice write-up, with pics, vids, before and after dyno's, etc. You are going to love having a cam, and it REALLY turns heads.

-Chris
Any explanation on this... ?

I dont really completely understand the benefits of using slightly longer rods and why on the LS6?
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Re: I think I have made a cam decision...finally

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Any explanation on this... ?

I dont really completely understand the benefits of using slightly longer rods and why on the LS6?

Wow sorry for not getting back to you on this one.

My understanding is that the LS6 used a slightly smaller diameter cam shaft, and longer valves, which required a slightly longer push rod.

I defer to the engine experts on this one though.

-Chris
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Re: I think I have made a cam decision...finally

Is this cam good for a Daily Driver? Or does it lobe like crazy
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Re: I think I have made a cam decision...finally

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Is this cam good for a Daily Driver? Or does it lobe like crazy

i am also curious on this aswell... because my V is my DD, but i want to throw a cam in her!!!

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Re: I think I have made a cam decision...finally

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i am also curious on this aswell... because my V is my DD, but i want to throw a cam in her!!!

That cam is pretty close to the onle I have. I daily drive my cam, and it's fine for me. HOWEVER one man's lope, is another mans rumble, and is another mans grumble.

Best thing is to find a local cammed car, and get a ride. It doesn;t have to be a V, it could be an F-Body, or a vette.

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Re: I think I have made a cam decision...finally

thanks chris...

do u know which Vengance Cam this is! love the sound of this

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thanks chris...

do u know which Vengance Cam this is! love the sound of this


That's HushV's, maybe he can chime in. And I agree, love that sound!
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Re: I think I have made a cam decision...finally

The loping at idle can be minimized for a daily driver. I DD mine and when I feel like loping, I make it lope so the car shakes your head side to side at an idle of about 800 rpm. When I don't feel like making it lope, I change the tune to make it not lope so much and the car has a fairly smooth idle at about 850, almost stock but not quite.
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