2004-2007 Cadillac CTS-V General Discussion Discussion, Wheel Hop.... in Cadillac CTS-V Series Forum - 2004 - 2007; I love 90% of what the V does and doesn't do. However, let's ALL be honest here. The V is ...
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Re: Wheel Hop....
I love 90% of what the V does and doesn't do. However, let's ALL be honest here. The V is supposed to do a 4.6 sec 0-60 time but it cannot and will not in stock form that IS a problem. Either back up the claim or remove it from the advertising.
There is video on the Cadillac website showing a V being launched with unbelievable wheel spin. Can anyone duplicate this? Not sideways, but straight? I can't, nor can anyone that I have talked to online. Again, why show the V doing something it can't?
The automotive press is aware of the problem as seen in R&T and quoted from AutoWeek below:
However, launching this CTS-V results in some serious axle hop; it almost feels abusive.
"Almost"? It positively is abusive and will surely reduce the lifespan of the rear end and chip your teeth if you're not careful.
Now you ask, what do I expect GM to do? My answer is nothing? Absolutely nothing. I expect that GM will shy away from the 0-60 claim, quietly remove the tire shredding video that the V can't possibly duplicate, offer a $1,000 partial remedy (shocks) and do what big corporations normally do in cases like this. Wait until we as customers get so vocal that they MUST do something.
The V is a great car. It's a great $50K sports sedan. It's a excellent competitor and an American alternative to an M3 or M5. But the reality is it can't do 0-60 in 4.6 secs and it won't burn the rear wheels off the line. The emperor has no clothes. Nothing to defend or explain it just can't do what GM said it would. Plain and simple.
I had no wheel hop at all at the track. That includes a 30mph U-hairpin and a lot of other tight corners. The car did break loose a couple times but that was my fault, I got on it before I was straight out of the apex. For what it's worth.
I don't attempt track driving on city 90 degree street turns, but I have only ever experienced the wheel hop when I get on the throttle hard in 1st and 2nd (not so much in 2nd lately). That may be due to the tires, I couldn't say.
Since I got the Michelins I have only experienced the hop when I TRIED to recreate it at the request of you folks. Other than that just a couple slight TC fishtail incidents in the rain. Keep this thing away from the water.
Then again I don't do any stoplight drag runs really, just rolling stuff on the Parkway.
I do agree with all on the prowess of the V in general. It is indeed a great car I love driving it. HOWEVER, I shouldnt have to pay $1100+ to get the rear to sit still. My 24K Impalass didnt do it. The problem is not dragging the car, which would be nice. What Infuriates me is that I cant even land second gear without it sounding like a bucket of bolts dancing around,that is just plain unacceptable. For the lousy 3500 that they made something needs to be recalled in the rear,weather it be shocks, bushings, springs or all 3. Its a small thing, do it right.
- My V has yet to exhibit wheel hop on the exit of a tight turn in dry conditions but it definitley occurs in the rain when the car starts to slide. - My C5 [2k2] vette had the base suspension 4spd auto and EMT's and I never experienced wheel hop wet or dry.
- I also think GM's advertised performace figure on the 0-60 time is "optimistic".
I will admit that I am not into drag racing my V but I have experienced the dreaded wheel hop while coming out of some sharp corners on the local road course! It is quite unsettling to have the rear end start hopping around while exiting a decreasing radius turn at 60+ mph. So as far as tuning for the twisties...I disagree to some extent.
Ok I know this is an older thread by now but I managed to get on a road today while the car was warm/hot the tires were warm/hot (and the outside temps were mild/cold - DRY). I could get the wheels to hop (without ever stopping - meaning no drag style launch manuvers) in 1st, 2nd and 3rd in both straights and corners, and I was NOWHERE near the limits of what I'm used to doing in other (front engine rear drive) IRS cars of similiar hp/wt that I have had some seat time with (on this very same road). I did not feel I was even anywhere near the limit of adhesion for what the car/tires should be - I certainly wasn't even at those speeds.
The problem is getting worse for me, are my tires just wearing down?
I was going to try to hop in 4th but I'll need to find another road