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venomviper32 (October 9, 2008 at 4:21 am)
I do remember car and driver/motor trend getting very different numbers, like 420-570 bhp, that may be a bit suprising, but car and drivers 3.3 0-60 in may and 4.1 in august prove there will be a difference when you build 2 turbos by hand. If the viper went to the ring, im guessing 7:36. It would take a LONG time to figure how to control the lightweight rwd with a lamorghini (well, kinda) developed truck engine. However, I still doubt a v spec would beat well geared acr.
doitlive08 (October 9, 2008 at 4:13 am)
You're right, it's 1.8 not 3, sorry.
Oh man, still with the high boost conspiracy huh? Man, it's up to you to prove it. The chief engineer said it was a fully stock GTR and all magazines say that as well.
The VIR is a 4.2 mile course with similar road conditions as the 'ring. If the GTR beats the base Viper by 1.8 seconds there, then it's a reasonable assumption that in the 13 mile 'ring, it would also beat it.
venomviper32 (October 9, 2008 at 1:54 am)
the vir car and driver does says 1.8, which is a different number than 3, and they did the exact same time at willow springs, which has corners. the gt-r might beat the acr on the ring because they have proven they go around it for a year with a high-boost car to make it look good. however, if dodge gears the viper to not hit the rev limiter in 2nd and 3rd virtually every corner and shorten 5th so itll go faster than 150 on the straight, that will be the king.
doitlive08 (October 7, 2008 at 10:57 pm)
The base Viper lost to the GTR in the 4.2 mile VIR by 3 seconds.
The GTR is grand touring racer, hence GTR. It isn't a CR as the Viper ACR or even the s2000 CR. CR= (C)lub (R)acer. The GTR will have its own racing version soon and if it has semi slicks like the ACR, then we're going to see a new Nurburgring record.
venomviper32 (October 7, 2008 at 10:48 pm)
lol, the gt-r is not grand touring! thats called a db9! the 10% power loss for an awd is incredible though, audi is somewhere around 23. the base viper doesnt have the sticky 140 tread rated tires on the gt-r, but its a safe bet with its straight line acceleration, slalom, and skidpad numbers it could beat the gt-r around most tracks too.
doitlive08 (October 7, 2008 at 10:42 pm)
The vast majority of dyno's have set the GTR at 430hp at the wheels. As you know, Nissan engineers have said power loss is only at 10%, something no other company has done before.
Even w/ 15%, it only has 507hp and mid 400's lbs of torque, which is a long way from the 600hp and 560lbs of torque of the Viper.
The ACR is a race version of its base Viper, the latter which the GTR beats at every track. The ACR also has semislicks and is simply in another category than the base, grand touring Nissan.
venomviper32 (October 7, 2008 at 10:31 pm)
it has acceleration and handling, but the viper has more of both! the acr is actually slower than the high boost (570 bhp) gt-r in a straight line, thats one point the gt-r gets with its far superior aerodynamics. however, the engine does weigh 100 lbs more than the 8.4 liter v10 in the viper, and has tested anywhere from 420-570 bhp on the dyno because nissan apparently is not capable of consistently hand-building the same turbo.
venomviper32 (October 7, 2008 at 10:27 pm)
im not trying to mock japan at all, im just trying to say the gt-r bows to the viper in terms of driving experience. the paddle shift, takes away driving feel, you have less control of the engine which in this case is a gentle breeze anyway. the all wheel drive takes away handling feel, which is the most important part. the system works but the viper provides quicker response and more grip with the wider tires, AND instead of doing it for you, it gives you everything you need to do it manually
doitlive08 (October 7, 2008 at 3:45 am)
Most modern supercars have all wheel drive and paddle shift transmissions, so I don't think you can point the finger at the GTR for this trend in automotive technology. And they ARE superior transmissions in terms of performance, by the way.
doitlive08 (October 7, 2008 at 3:38 am)
"Wing wong"? Are you trying to mock the Japanese language? Well if you are, then I'll just say it doesn't even have those sounds in its entire language. But back to what we're talking about, the GTR...
No, I don't think it has a shitbox; it's actually one of the most advanced transmissions in the world.
It's not the best looking Jap sportscar, but it's not that bad. At least to me.
The most striking details of this car is amazing acceleration and handling. That's a true sports car for me. |