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smotviddy (November 30, 1999 at 12:00 am)
i thought you made an excellent point that we are not simply stimulus response machines. however, i didn't see any evidence of random behaviour. i am opposed to treating the subject as if its floating in a bubble outside the greater system it is a part of. i think such a premise is responsible for your conclusion there's non-determinism in play.
MikeSarno (November 30, 1999 at 12:00 am)
Excellent!
randyhelzerman (November 30, 1999 at 12:00 am)
So what did I convince you of?
smotviddy (November 30, 1999 at 12:00 am)
actually i can't agree with you. i have a few major problems. perhaps ill make a vid.
naphra2 (November 30, 1999 at 12:00 am)
I know I probably should, long time no video make. :)
randyhelzerman (November 30, 1999 at 12:00 am)
Well naphra2, there's a good research project for you :-) why don't you investigate it and make a vid! :-)
randyhelzerman (November 30, 1999 at 12:00 am)
:-) awesome smotviddy! Now that you know you have free will, please use your superpower for good, not evil! :-)
smotviddy (November 30, 1999 at 12:00 am)
randy i think you have convinced me!
naphra2 (November 30, 1999 at 12:00 am)
Rather, I'd look for perhaps some sort of a vestigial use for neurons that would have benefited from neurons that are closer and closer to neurons that satisfy the conditions for nondeterminism, perhaps under a selective process not even selecting for better randomness. But there's still the problem that the nondeterminism itself would, I think, then emerge abrubtly and not gradually, and so it could ruin the achieved selective advantage, and the achieved nondeterminism would likely not survive.
naphra2 (November 30, 1999 at 12:00 am)
Yes, that's true, I can see that. But I think I can see some problems, too: good pseudorandom-number generators are always more and more complex, the proposed nondeterministic generator is simple. In order to get a good deterministic generator, you need more and more neurons; in order to get a nondeterministic generator, you need just one neuron. So evolving a better deterministic generator wouldn't necessarily aid, or even relate to, evolving a nondeterministic generator. |